racin24fan
Member
I want both of these fish. Is there any chance these 2 would get along and not fight?
Coral Beauty / Dwarf Flame Angel
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racin24fan
Member
I also have several shrimp... Will they get along with shrimp?
invertcrazy
Member
don't know what size tank you have but i had both of these in a 55 and i had to separate them because they fought all the time. They should be ok with the shrimp but keep an eye on them if you have corals.
sepulatian
Moderator
What sized tank do you have? For these guys to have a chance at not fighting they need a large tank, with plenty of rock, and to be added at the same time.
racin24fan
Member
Originally Posted by sepulatian
http:///forum/post/2664695
What sized tank do you have? For these guys to have a chance at not fighting they need a large tank, with plenty of rock, and to be added at the same time.
A 55Gallon
http:///forum/post/2664695
What sized tank do you have? For these guys to have a chance at not fighting they need a large tank, with plenty of rock, and to be added at the same time.
A 55Gallon
gliderjohn
Member
Since I added a dwarf flame angel to my 46 gal., 2 of my 3 peppermint shrimp have disappeared and my xenias have been eaten. My zoos, mushrooms and devil's hand have not been touched.
Absolutely a gorgeous fish, though.
Absolutely a gorgeous fish, though.
srfisher17
Active Member
Originally Posted by kaliman33
http:///forum/post/2664919
I have had a flame and coral beauty together for over 8 months, not one bit of problems, they really are no the same species so they will be fine
I think you're lucky. Two dwarf angels of the same genus, these are both Centropyges, will usually (not always) fight viciously. The more room, the better the chances. But, IMO&IME, these two will not do well in a 55.....the vast majority of the time. I had a flame kill a closely related flameback in a 180. SWF.com doesn't strongly warn against keeping dwarf angels together for no good reason. Read what they have to say at the left.
http:///forum/post/2664919
I have had a flame and coral beauty together for over 8 months, not one bit of problems, they really are no the same species so they will be fine
I think you're lucky. Two dwarf angels of the same genus, these are both Centropyges, will usually (not always) fight viciously. The more room, the better the chances. But, IMO&IME, these two will not do well in a 55.....the vast majority of the time. I had a flame kill a closely related flameback in a 180. SWF.com doesn't strongly warn against keeping dwarf angels together for no good reason. Read what they have to say at the left.
jbird0420
Member
I have a coral beauty, bi-color, flame, and Koran angel in my 225g. Key is tank size and a lot of rock for hiding spaces. I won't lie, occasionally before lights out there are some territory issues. I had them for a long time with minimal aggression. If you get them buy them and release them into the tank together.
srfisher17
Active Member
Originally Posted by Jbird0420
http:///forum/post/2666791
I have a coral beauty, bi-color, flame, and Koran angel in my 225g. Key is tank size and a lot of rock for hiding spaces. I won't lie, occasionally before lights out there are some territory issues. I had them for a long time with minimal aggression. If you get them buy them and release them into the tank together.
This would be the ideal situation for multiple angels and the 3 you have are great candidates for your set-up. IMO, all too often someone will ask something like "has anyone ever kept a full grown volitan lion with a perc clown? And, of course; somebody, somewhere has. Having found the answer he wants, this exception becomes the norm and the inevitable happens. This rant isn't directed at this particular thread; its just something I've noticed over and over.
http:///forum/post/2666791
I have a coral beauty, bi-color, flame, and Koran angel in my 225g. Key is tank size and a lot of rock for hiding spaces. I won't lie, occasionally before lights out there are some territory issues. I had them for a long time with minimal aggression. If you get them buy them and release them into the tank together.
This would be the ideal situation for multiple angels and the 3 you have are great candidates for your set-up. IMO, all too often someone will ask something like "has anyone ever kept a full grown volitan lion with a perc clown? And, of course; somebody, somewhere has. Having found the answer he wants, this exception becomes the norm and the inevitable happens. This rant isn't directed at this particular thread; its just something I've noticed over and over.
racin24fan
Member
so If I buy just one what will work best in my 55 and get along with my shrimp?
srfisher17
Active Member
Originally Posted by Racin24fan
http:///forum/post/2669243
so If I buy just one what will work best in my 55 and get along with my shrimp?
Both can get a little nippy and do best when there is plenty of mature LR. You should get the one you want, they're both beautiful, fairly easy fish. IMO, in a 55 especially, the angel should be the last fish introduced--they are very territorial and more aggressive than many folks expect.
http:///forum/post/2669243
so If I buy just one what will work best in my 55 and get along with my shrimp?
Both can get a little nippy and do best when there is plenty of mature LR. You should get the one you want, they're both beautiful, fairly easy fish. IMO, in a 55 especially, the angel should be the last fish introduced--they are very territorial and more aggressive than many folks expect.
kaliman33
Member
I had the coral beauty first, then after a month added the flame, they are like brothers now, the first 2 days the coral beauty chased him, never biting or nipping, then settled right down, now they swim together and never have a problem, I know people say you should'nt but i know numerous and i mean a bunch around here that have both with no ill effects. that is why i did it, i saw for my self from atleast 4 diffrent tanks with them together, so i said what the hell, Some times it is fun to buck the system and win 
srfisher17
Active Member
Originally Posted by kaliman33
http:///forum/post/2670843
I had the coral beauty first, then after a month added the flame, they are like brothers now, the first 2 days the coral beauty chased him, never biting or nipping, then settled right down, now they swim together and never have a problem, I know people say you should'nt but i know numerous and i mean a bunch around here that have both with no ill effects. that is why i did it, i saw for my self from atleast 4 diffrent tanks with them together, so i said what the hell, Some times it is fun to buck the system and win
Sure; I do things all the time that " are against the rules". But, when I know the odds, I'm not going to encourage others to do it. You may see 4 success stories; but don't hear about the failures. If someone wants to try something like this and it works, great! If it doesn't, they won't get be put on a guilt trip by me. But, when asking for an opinion; I'm going to give my experiences and what I've heard from those who know a lot more than I do. In this hobby; you can probably find someone who has kept every conceivable combination of fish without problems; but I think most folks on this forum are looking for help based on what will PROBABLY happen, not the exceptions.
http:///forum/post/2670843
I had the coral beauty first, then after a month added the flame, they are like brothers now, the first 2 days the coral beauty chased him, never biting or nipping, then settled right down, now they swim together and never have a problem, I know people say you should'nt but i know numerous and i mean a bunch around here that have both with no ill effects. that is why i did it, i saw for my self from atleast 4 diffrent tanks with them together, so i said what the hell, Some times it is fun to buck the system and win
Sure; I do things all the time that " are against the rules". But, when I know the odds, I'm not going to encourage others to do it. You may see 4 success stories; but don't hear about the failures. If someone wants to try something like this and it works, great! If it doesn't, they won't get be put on a guilt trip by me. But, when asking for an opinion; I'm going to give my experiences and what I've heard from those who know a lot more than I do. In this hobby; you can probably find someone who has kept every conceivable combination of fish without problems; but I think most folks on this forum are looking for help based on what will PROBABLY happen, not the exceptions.
srfisher17
Active Member
Originally Posted by prime311
http:///forum/post/2673052
As was mentioned repeatedly in the other thread, gill flukes don't kill all fish within a week of each other, there had to be some other factor(stress maybe?). Also, you didn't QT the fish which would've prevented anything bad from happening.
Right. Not only are gill flukes very seldom fatal; they require an intermediate host and so, can't be spread in a tank environment.In addition; they can't even be properly diagnosed without a microscope. (From Fenner's book). Back to the original thread; I don't care if someone keeps a titan trigger with a moorish idol in a 20 gal tank. (Someone, somewhere has). But, knowing the odds that something will not work and advising others to try it:IMO, defeats the whole purpose of this forum.
http:///forum/post/2673052
As was mentioned repeatedly in the other thread, gill flukes don't kill all fish within a week of each other, there had to be some other factor(stress maybe?). Also, you didn't QT the fish which would've prevented anything bad from happening.