couldn't resist the sale...will i be ok?

[30-xtra high]

hi guys

, i have a 30 extra high with 20 lbs of live sand, and about 25 lbs of live rock, i have an emperor 330 hob rated for 75 gallon tanks, and i have a maxijet 600, i've just bought some new "24" pc's, 130 watts 12000k and actinic blue 03 bulbs, i plan on some shrooms some zoos, and 1 anemone. as of fish, i have 1 mother blenny and 5 damsels (that i will get rid of in a cuple weeks) and i have 2 redleg hermits.
now to my point!, my LFS had a super sale

and i got sucked in, i bought 3 turbo snail for 75 cents each, a 2 inch marron clown for 7.99, and a coral banded shrimp about 3 inches for 5.99, so i was so excited about the new prices, i called one of my friends to tell him, he said coral banded shrimps will eat corals sometimes. is this true?, he also said the coral banded shrimp will try to kill my fish? is this true?
and is a maroon too big for a 30? i've been told yes and no, in the final tank i plan on a maroon clown and a royal gramma and a mother blenny, will everything be ok??
and how bout those prices?

 

[mopar9012]

Is the tank a new tank? If so you should have bought any live goods. the tank will need to go threw a cycle, that will take about a month. If it cycles and you have a fish in there, I would say you have about a 90% chance of it dieing.
Also with a 130Ws of pc lighting i really dont think you will be able to keep an anemone. Ive also never heard of the shrimp eating fish, he might eat dead fish. I dont know if it will eat corals. And i dont see a reason why you cant keep a maroon clown. I think it will be fine in there.

 

[30-xtra high]

the tank's completely cyclyed, itzabout 2 months old or so, all the levels went up, then back down, trites and trates-0 amonia-0 ph-8 salinity-1.023,
any other opinions on the CBS or maroon?? :notsure:

 

[ahmoser]

Mt CBS ended up chasing my bicolor blennie around, and as soon as I added an anemone, he attacked it with his claws! He was traded in shortly after.

 

[30-xtra high]

crap, thats what i wuz afraid of... anybody else have an experiences like that??????
or possibly any good ones??
any other opinions on if this'll work?
and by the way, 130 divided by 30=4.3 anemones need 4 watts

 

[fbm]

Slow down....
From what I have been reading and what I have been seeing every single CBS is different. For that matter every animal is different. What I would do for sure is not have anything smaller than that shrimp in there, I mean any fish smaller than that shrimp. As long as the fish are bigger than that shrimp you should be fine. Anyways you will be fine no matter what for a long time saying how he is so small.
I have never ever heard of them eating corals, alot of other kind of shrimp do but not these. Just about everyone with the exception me has a cbs in there reef tanks. I want one but I just haven't found one cheap enough yet.
Just watch him and you will see what he will do and what he won't do.

 

[dogstar]

The tank is 24'' high, right ? I am conserned about the anemone with those lights.....what kind is it ?
The CBS will get more agressive as it gets older and bigger....IMO, not good for weak swimmers like blennies
IMO a 30 high is not big enough for a Maroon for the long term, they get big as far as clowns go.

 

[puffer32]

I had a full grown CBS in a tank and he never bothered anything, but your tank is small, so not sure how yours will be when its gets bigger, but he may be fine. You might be fine fish wise as long as the maroon isn't aggressive, mine was fine till he got his anenome

My fish have learned to stay clear of him, but your tank doesn't give much space for that. I think an anenome is out of the question with that lighting, but you may be smart steering clear of one in your 30 anyway.

 

[30-xtra high]

i don't have an anemone, or any corals for that matter, i plan on getting them, and yes the tank is 24 inches high, but i plan on putting the anemone about 20 inches up,i know it'll move, but if it wants light, it can always move up, and you don't need to worry about the blenny... he isn't exactly a "blenny", he's called a mother blenny but is technically called a "finger dragonet" and he's about 5 inches, he isn't mean at all and stays burried alota the time, but when fish decide to get pushy with him he flips his big sharp fins out and the fish swims away as fast as it can. it's dorsal fin is 4 4 inch spines that stick straight up., and would my CBS be ok with a maroon and a royal gramma? and do you really thnik a maroon is to big for a 30? i know its the biggest of clowns, but i've red in books like MARINE FISHES by scott micheals that it can live in a 30
how big do coral banded shrimp get?? body only not antena or anything

 

[michaeltx]

and by the way, 130 divided by 30=4.3 anemones need 4 watts
I kinda need to adress this statement its a very untrue statment.
here is why its not the WPG anymore that needs to be looked at it needs to be the intesity of light that you to the animals that you want to keep.
the tank is 24 inches which means alot of the light is bounced back from the water. the higher the intesity the deeper the light will penetrate.
look at it this way.
100 watts of normal output light doent equal 100 watts of PC lights that dont equal 100 watts of VHO that dont equal 100 watts of MH they are all 100 watts but which is a more intense lighting??
Mike

 

[30-xtra high]

well its 12000k, and it's a risk i'm willing to try, and this isn't what my thread's about, thank for your consern and i appreciate it, but i'm stubborn as hell and i gotta try an anemone at least once, but will the coral banded be ok with an anemone (that might die) and will it be ok with a royal gramma and maroon, and will the maroon be ok with the coral banded and royal gramma, are they all reef safe and compatible?
and how big do coral banded shrimp get???

 

[wangotango]

my CBS and eveyone i know who have CBS have never had any problems. sure if a fish swims near the shrimp, it might take a swipe, but never chase it around. maroons can get big, and can be agressive too, so be careful. all your livestock is reefsafe and compatible with each other. michaelTX hit the nail on the head with the whole wpg thing, and this is something that a lot of people need to understand. if you really want an anemone, try a curley cue. i kept one in my first tank under SO lamps and it did fine.
-Justin

 

[30-xtra high]

thanks wango, how big do curly que's get? is it colorfol at all?
and can somebody answer my question?!?!? how big do CBS get?? :notsure:

 

[sepulatian]

Originally Posted by 30-xtra high
well its 12000k, and it's a risk i'm willing to try, and this isn't what my thread's about, thank for your consern and i appreciate it, but i'm stubborn as hell and i gotta try an anemone at least once, but will the coral banded be ok with an anemone (that might die) and will it be ok with a royal gramma and maroon, and will the maroon be ok with the coral banded and royal gramma, are they all reef safe and compatible?
and how big do coral banded shrimp get???
You have been told that the tank is too small for a Maroon clown, that your lighting isn't appropriate for the anemone and that the CBS will be destructive as it gets older and should not be with smaller slow fish. Are you just looking to hear what you want to hear? Sorry if this seems rude, but you have been given the answers. If you are willing to risk it then...............not much else to be said here.

 

[rbrockm1]

we all get sucked in and buy things we don't need or should not have in our tanks. i blame the sales

 

[uberlink]

Originally Posted by sepulatian
You have been told that the tank is too small for a Maroon clown, that your lighting isn't appropriate for the anemone and that the CBS will be destructive as it gets older and should not be with smaller slow fish. Are you just looking to hear what you want to hear? Sorry if this seems rude, but you have been given the answers. If you are willing to risk it then...............not much else to be said here.

I tend to agree with this. And I think you're ignoring the well being of these animals. That's not why you got into this hobby, I'm sure. Nor is bargain hunting, I'm guessing. You MIGHT be able to get away with an anemone in that tank if you have rock to near the top of the water column, and the anemone happened to plant itself very near the top of the tank. But the only anemone I'd consider trying would be a bubble tip. That would be okay for a maroon clown (I think), but your tank will get a bit small for a maroon before long.
As for the CBS, I'm not a huge of them. There's one in an established tank I'm picking up this weekend, but I'm likely to trade him in. He seems to chase some of the fish.

 

[debdeb]

At this point, you already have the CBS & the Maroon so the goal is to help them thrive and stay healthy now. The coral banded shrimp can get pretty big, up to about 4" long I believe. In my 37g, I have a 2" CBS and he's fine with all of my fish, including my Flametail Blenny. I'm not sure if he is guilty of murdering my emerald crabs or not. I don't think I would trust him with any other shrimp though. I've seen him actually cleaning my hawkfish. He has left my corals and small feather dusters alone.
I also have a 2" Clarkii clown in that tank as well as a Lyretail Hawkfish and a small Yellow Tang (I know, but I've got a 180g that will be up and running in a couple months). I think you're fine as long as you upgrade to a bigger tank say within a year. The maroon clown does not need an anemone to be happy and healthy. Unless you buy them together, there is always the chance that he won't host any anemone you put in the tank. In all honesty, anemone's need very high lighting. I tried a Haitian Pink Tip (condy) in my tank and ended up taking it back to the LFS after a couple of months because I was afraid it wouldn't thrive under my lights (195 watts of pc's).
Good luck and welcome to the board! I have sure found a lot of useful info here. The search feature is great, you can find answers to a lot of questions.

 

[30-xtra high]

umm sepulatian... if you noticed my question was not "can i keep an anemone" was it? (no it wasn't) it was "can i keep a CBS with a maroon and royal gramma in a tank with an anemone and corals. not to sound rude... but i know i can keep an anemone and in 6 months i will make a thread just for you with pictures of my thriving anemone
and if you also noticed, i've gotten yes and no's to all my question. i've gotten, sure all my friends have CBS and they're fine with corals.
sure you can put a maroon in a 30... i don't see why you couldn't
then i've also got some no's
not tryin to be rude tho.

 

[sepulatian]

30, I was not trying to be rude and I appologize if you took my comment that way. As I said, if you are willing to risk it then fine. I hope it works out for you and look forward to the pics in 6 months

 

[jasonmarc]

Hey 30 - sepulation is an awesome source of advice and help, and while you might not try to be rude, your posts are coming across that way. You asked for opinions, and reply with sarcasm when you don't get the ones you want - just be careful! You could alienate some very valuable people that way.
Just my opinion.