Crashed tank

dilan

Member
My tank crashed yesterday and it was a disaster all the living things in my tank were dead except my coral and my snails. I did a water change and cleaned my filter the day before this happened. It used to smell really bad but today it doesn't as much. I will post a picture of my cloudy tank that it used to be but know it cleared up I will post a pick of the clear tank and new readings and the type of
 

flower

Well-Known Member
He needs some help folks, to figure out what happened. I didn't know the snails made it, Dilan, post some test results please.
 

dilan

Member

this is todays not cloudy tank it has a little bit of a haze because of some alge on the glass
 

dilan

Member
The test kit i use is Saltwater master liquid test kit.
Salinity is 1.021-1.022
Nitrite is 0
Ammonia is .25
Ph is 7.8
Nitrate is
evrything is normal except for ammonia it is usually 0 i know my ph is low i dont know how to raise it it stays the same morning and evening.
I have asked my dad to use activated carbon to help my tank out i have read it helps with organic matter and with clear the water do u guys think it is good i think i can put it into one of my marineland magnum 350
 

flower

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Originally Posted by dilan http:///t/396106/crashed-tank#post_3528578
The test kit i use is Saltwater master liquid test kit.
Salinity is 1.021-1.022
Nitrite is 0
Ammonia is .25
Ph is 7.8
Nitrate is
evrything is normal except for ammonia it is usually 0 i know my ph is low i dont know how to raise it it stays the same morning and evening.
I have asked my dad to use activated carbon to help my tank out i have read it helps with organic matter and with clear the water do u guys think it is good i think i can put it into one of my marineland magnum 350
It's a really good idea, carbon removes toxins.
BUMP so those in the know can see this and help out.....I know it's a weekend, but a crashed tank needs help to get back on track.
 

flower

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Quote:
Originally Posted by dilan http:///t/396106/crashed-tank#post_3528598
What does BUMP mean
LOL...Every time there is a post, it bumps the thread to the top where folks can see it. Lots of people work, and they manage their tanks in the evening just fine. Going to school (as long as you are home each night anyway) shouldn't be a problem.
 

dilan

Member
i know i am determined to fix this tank to close ton perfection can i ask how u bump when i looked it up it was close to the top like second and i also private asked snake blitz to join the thread and see if he could help me
 

meowzer

Moderator
I'm no expert....BUT.....there is a lot more info needed
list all equipment, How you mix up your water for water changes, what was in the tank as far as fish, inverts, corals, age of tank, what you feed etc
EVERYTHING.....LOL....
 

dilan

Member
equipment
I will be putting a marineland magnum 350 for some activated carbon
i dont know what kind of heater
2 maxi jet 900s
a fluval 404 filter
an aquipure denitrater medium size
i use synthetic salt and use tap water and use dechlorinator to dechlorinate the tap water
FISH
2 ocelarrius clownfish
2 firefish
1 one spot foxface
1 pj cardinal
Inverts
sails crabs and one big brittle star
FOOD
I feed frozen mysis, BRine shrimp freeze dried and freezed dried shrimp, and pellets
i hhad one coral thatwas on my live rock which i know is some type of non photosynthetic coral
if u need anything else or if u need more description feel free to ask i will try to help u out
 

snakeblitz33

Well-Known Member
Ok, a lot going on here that can contribute to a crashed tank. Lets see if I can get you on the right path. If you don't have funds to correct the issue, you have all the equipment you need already to have a nice freshwater planted tank without the expense of a marine tank. Just a suggestion.
1. You are using dechlorinated tap water. This is a no-no when it comes to marine systems. Conditioned tap water will contain other chemicals in it that are not neutralized with a dechlorinator. Some tap water even contains trace amounts of ammonia. Only use RO/DI purified water to mix your salt in, and only use RO/DI water with a TDS of 0ppm to top off with. It looks like you need to top off your tank as well, immediately.
2. Double check your salinity and make sure it's not rising/falling too rapidly. If you are using a hydrometer, check your reading against a water sample you take to your LFS that checks it with their refractometer. In the future, buy and consistently use a calibrated refractometer when measuring your salinity. Check it weekly and check your tanks salinity and your water mix salinity every single time before a water change. Make sure your tank is not leaking.
3. Do not use canister filters on a saltwater tank. It's a really bad idea. They become clogged without regular maintenance every two weeks to thirty days. Anaerobic bacteria eventually form isolated pockets of hydrogen sulfide, which is what you were smelling in your water earlier - that weird almost rotten egg smell... in that case, a pocket of hydrogen sulfide was more than likely stirred up somewhere in your system.
4. An aquipure denitrate filter is not needed, especially when you have such a small bioload and the ability to do water changes as needed. It's an extra expense, however, it is justifiable if that is an excuse to keep vodka in the freezer.

5. Take off any glass tops on top of the tank. Glass tops are mainly for freshwater systems where you want to increase the amount of CO2 in the system to lower the pH. In marine systems, we try to keep as much CO2 out of the tank as possible - thereby increasing surface area through sumps, skimmers, scrubbers, and massive amounts of water flow... which leads me to number 6.
6. Two maxijet 600 powerheads are not enough flow for a 55g tank, which is what your tank appears to be to me. That's roughly 150gph each coming out of the nozzles - and that's only a 6x turnover rate. You do not count turnover rate coming off of return pipes like your canister filters. One of the main reasons why your pH is low is because there isn't enough water flow and more than likely you have glass tops on the tank. Get upgraded powerheads. Koralia brand powerheads are cheap and effective. There are also some cheap aqueon or even oceanic powerheads that are all kind of shaped the same - with a propeller and a broad flow pattern. Use these types of powerheads to push water across the surface of the water and down and around your rocks.
7. Since I don't recommend using canister filters, I highly suggest investing in a HOB filter or two that will really work for your system. Marineland Penguin filters, Marineland Emperor filters, and even Aquaclear filters are great brands that would do well for your system. I recommend getting two that are rated for your size tank each. Preferably, get a filter system with a basket, so that you can add additional chemical filtration when needed.
8. Now that a lot of things have died in your tank, you should remove everything that is dead and monitor your ammonia and nitrite levels until then return back to zero, which I doubt they will until you get a proper source of top off water.
9. I personally don't feel like you have enough rock for the system to be healthy either. Adding even some base rock to build your rock work higher up will add additional biofiltration that will help curb the potential for another crash once it becomes established.
10. I don't feel like you are using food that is nutritious enough for long term care of the fish. Using frozen foods or freshly prepared frozen DIY foods is a great start to healthy fish and a healthy tank. Also, a mix of different types of flake foods can also be much better then the freeze dried junk that you are feeding now. I realize that you probably didn't realize this when you purchased the food, but now you know. :D
A set of questions for you, and then I'll give you additional information. Once you have responded to them, please go ahead and private message me again. I don't come to these forums as often as I used to, so things get lost really easily.
1. What test kits are you using?
2. How long has the tank been set up?
3. What is the extent of your experience with saltwater systems?
4. What books have you read about saltwater aquariums?
5. What has inspired you do get into the hobby?
6. Are there any chemicals you are currently using in your system?
7. Are you burning incense, smoking, have any air fresheners, roach, ant or other bug spray around the tank?
8. How often are you servicing your canister filters? What media does it contain?
9. Do you have a digital thermometer? How consistent is your temperature staying? (our tanks like consistency, so fluctuating temps can cause mass death.)
10. Do you have the drive and the financial backing to make these changes? If not, I highly suggest taking the equipment you have now and getting into a much cheaper hobby with freshwater planted tanks. Saltwater tanks can be a huge money pit if you don't know what you are doing. I know this is more of a statement then a question, I apologize.
11. More up close pictures of your setup would be nice. Take pictures of your system before and after any of the changes I have recommended, please.
If you listen to my suggestions and follow (most) of them and listen to others advice and take everything with a grain of salt, I'm pretty sure you will become a successful marine aquarist.
 

dilan

Member
i dont have a skimmer
i dont have a sump so i kind of need something to filter and i have a glass tank wich i didnt have plumbed for a summp
i would have taken out the tops but i couldnt because i had fish that could jump out
ohh its 2 900 maxi jets
i have removed everything except for a coral that is attached to my live rock it camewith it and i have never had a coral so i dont know what to do it is non photosynthetic grogroniean
ohh i know i didnt have enough rock originnally it was just going to be a fowler tank but then i was getting pulled toward reef tanks for mine and my 180 gal i was adding it over time i know its wrong but i had to put live rock slowly so i dont kill anything i havent did anyting new like addition wise since december
i also feed flake i forgot to mention that and only feed freeze like once a week
Questions u asked
Saltwater master liquid test kit
1 year maybe a little bit more
well my dad has had it forever and he was very successful with the equipment that i had like he kept quite a bit of things alive me like 2 years
3 books saltwater aquariums for dummies, the complete idiots guide to saltwater aquariums, and marine aquarium handbook beginner to breedeer
nothing maybe vodka to feed denitrator
no it is in my bedroom
i clean it not that much usually when i clean it something bad happens but this tiime it had a devestating problem
media: i have know idea what media is in there because my dad set it up for me
digital heater and it stays at 80 degrees
Thx a lot i would like some more advice on the RODI water i know people dont use it including my dad using the tap water.
I would use all the advice u would give me trust me but the problem is my dad he knows a lot about fish tanks and i know quite a bit for my age just my dad does more of the equipment side like he will not let me get a proteighn skimmer but if i can do a Rodi water than it might help me a lot and i asked him a bout a canopy he said no i been wanting to ask u if i could use like a mesh topping because it has holes but not big enough for fish to jump out. I find it funny how i can keep a 180 gal tank with a sump in good condition but not the one in my bed room
I love my fish and would do anything for them and i know like really know i cant do everything but i can do somethings and i will always try.
u helped me a lot and i just wanted to say thx do u think i can do most of the things that i might still be as successful as my dad
 

tthemadd1

Active Member
Your ph is low because your ammonia is high. Your crash probably happened due to changing the filters. I your tank was just teetering on the edge of crashing when you removed the filter with the good bacteria it fell to the bottom of the gorge.
Starting over read read and read.
 

flower

Well-Known Member
Hi,
I'm so happy folks finally were able to help you...sometimes we just have to wave that big red flag to get their attention. Thank you Meowzer, Snakeblitz and LOL... tthemadd1, what a name.
I didn't know you were using tap water. Don't ask Dad for an RO/DI unit...ask him to get an RO (reverse Osmosis) filter unit (you will have a better chance of getting it) . RO water is good for your fish tank, and the whole family to cook with and drink, it creates bottled water for every day use. The RO/DI units are ONLY used on fish tanks and is unsafe for humans to drink. Walmart sells RO water for 37 cents a gallon and most grocery stores sell RO water ... it's the refill station, where you bring your own jug.
I ran canister filters for many years without a single issue, however the HOB are much easier to deal with. Snake hates canisters.The Aquaripure since it's already purchased, is fine...I have one for each of my tanks as well, it's the only equipment that does exactly like it is supposed to, and it is virtually no maintenance. Some Caulerpa Prolifera or other decorative macroaqlgae would do you a world of good, if you can't get your hands on a protein skimmer $10.00 a pint, and when it starts to grow, you can swap and trade, or give it away...or just toss it, a little grows and grows. In order to grow it uses the nitrates, ammonia and nitrites out of the water keeping it pristine, and when you remove the extra growth (called harvesting) you export all those nasty's completely out of the tank with it.
Replace the maxijets with Koralia or similar brand power heads, as Snakeblitz suggested. The Koralia brands create a wave, while the maxi jets send a jet stream of water, the wave is the life of the ocean, and your SW tank.
Listen to Snakeblitz ( He's a real professor) and get more rock, enough to go midway up. The mesh top is a good idea. eBay sells the mesh material real cheap, I made one for my 90g tank. I got the mesh, and some elastic, I sewed the elastic onto the mesh (right on the tank, it was the only way I could figure out how to get it to fit and stretch it out properly). I had to make it by hand, and couldn't use my sewing machine. I don't use it now, but I saved it for the future if I ever get another jumper. You must not cover a SW tank with a tight fitting lid if you have no sump where oxygen exchange can properly take place. Egg-crate works as well, and is much easier to make a fit, but not for little critters like the firefish, they can get through the little square openings.
If you are using API liquid kits...dump them, and go for Salifert, Instant Ocean, or what I use, Seachem...the API kits are terrible for reading high nitrates. I used those kits for years, then all of a sudden they are no good anymore...even the new kits...maybe they changed something.

Frozen brine shrimp is just fish candy, use frozen Mysis instead.
Just to let you know...The larger the SW tank, the easier it is to keep. That's why the 180g with a sump system is easier then the smaller one in your bedroom.
I understand your Dad used the equipment for many years, all things grow old, and no longer work as well as they did new, also the new stuff is more powerful and better made for the needs of SW tanks then what was put out years ago.
 

dilan

Member
I am going to ask for some equipment for my birthday so then I have a chance of getting stuff that I need
 

dilan

Member
I use Legos and leave the cap open like halfway on each side so nothing can jump out like my filefish that dies :((((((
 
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