Cupramine safe for dogface puffers?
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usirchchris
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Yes, should be fine. I have used copper on a few different kinds of puffers and never had a problem.
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rcreations
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My advice is not to use copper on puffers AT ALL. There have been studies of long lasting negative effects of copper on puffers. Even if you see nothing bad right away, eventually the puffer's health will deteriorate. Check reefcentral. There's a whole topic there about the negative inpact of copper on puffers.
sepulatian
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Is there a reason that you do not want to perform hyposalinity?
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usirchchris
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Originally Posted by RCreations
http:///forum/post/2816227
My advice is not to use copper on puffers AT ALL. There have been studies of long lasting negative effects of copper on puffers. Even if you see nothing bad right away, eventually the puffer's health will deteriorate. Check reefcentral. There's a whole topic there about the negative inpact of copper on puffers.
Were they talking about copper in general, or Cupramine specifically? I will try to look it up as you have my interest.
Hmm just looked on Seachems website, and they have reported that some have had problems with puffers using Cupramine. IME my puffers seem to have been fine. I had a cowfish that was ill effected. It will be hard to tell if there are long term effects as there may be many Extenuating factors that could come into play. I would be interested in seeing how they determined it indeed was the copper that caused a problem.
http:///forum/post/2816227
My advice is not to use copper on puffers AT ALL. There have been studies of long lasting negative effects of copper on puffers. Even if you see nothing bad right away, eventually the puffer's health will deteriorate. Check reefcentral. There's a whole topic there about the negative inpact of copper on puffers.
Were they talking about copper in general, or Cupramine specifically? I will try to look it up as you have my interest.
Hmm just looked on Seachems website, and they have reported that some have had problems with puffers using Cupramine. IME my puffers seem to have been fine. I had a cowfish that was ill effected. It will be hard to tell if there are long term effects as there may be many Extenuating factors that could come into play. I would be interested in seeing how they determined it indeed was the copper that caused a problem.
sepulatian
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Originally Posted by usirchchris
http:///forum/post/2817177
Were they talking about copper in general, or Cupramine specifically? I will try to look it up as you have my interest.
Hmm just looked on Seachems website, and they have reported that some have had problems with puffers using Cupramine. IME my puffers seem to have been fine. I had a cowfish that was ill effected. It will be hard to tell if there are long term effects as there may be many Extenuating factors that could come into play. I would be interested in seeing how they determined it indeed was the copper that caused a problem.
Copper is a toxic chemical to most fish. Copper is tolerated by some. You have to be VERY careful with copper. That is why myself and other's push hyposalinity so much. It is all natural. You aren't going to find all of the negatives on the website that make the product.
http:///forum/post/2817177
Were they talking about copper in general, or Cupramine specifically? I will try to look it up as you have my interest.
Hmm just looked on Seachems website, and they have reported that some have had problems with puffers using Cupramine. IME my puffers seem to have been fine. I had a cowfish that was ill effected. It will be hard to tell if there are long term effects as there may be many Extenuating factors that could come into play. I would be interested in seeing how they determined it indeed was the copper that caused a problem.
Copper is a toxic chemical to most fish. Copper is tolerated by some. You have to be VERY careful with copper. That is why myself and other's push hyposalinity so much. It is all natural. You aren't going to find all of the negatives on the website that make the product.
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usirchchris
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Originally Posted by sepulatian
http:///forum/post/2817208
You aren't going to find all of the negatives on the website that make the product.
I stumbled across their website accidentally while trying to search. I myself am a salesman and realize their ultimate goal, but I think Seachem does a very fair job of warning of potential problems with their products. They are one of the few instances where I think you can review the product from the maker. They have open forums that you can search. I think very highly of Seachem...though I have disagreed and gone rounds with their phone reps
. I do, however, agree that you would have to search much further to get in depth on a specific problem. I do not doubt that hypo to a degree is going to be healthier for the fish, but it is labor and time intensive IMO and there is a higher degree of error to be made than that of copper IME.
http:///forum/post/2817208
You aren't going to find all of the negatives on the website that make the product.
I stumbled across their website accidentally while trying to search. I myself am a salesman and realize their ultimate goal, but I think Seachem does a very fair job of warning of potential problems with their products. They are one of the few instances where I think you can review the product from the maker. They have open forums that you can search. I think very highly of Seachem...though I have disagreed and gone rounds with their phone reps
sepulatian
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I do not doubt that hypo to a degree is going to be healthier for the fish, but it is labor and time intensive IMO and there is a higher degree of error to be made than that of copper IME.
How is there a higher degree of error with hypo? If the SG raises too high then ich MAY be able to reproduce. Unlike copper, where if the copper level goes too high then the fish are poisoned to death. I have fish in hypo right now. I top the 15 long off every other day. I check the SG, but not constantly. I drew a line on the tank. When it looks off then I check the SG. This is not labor intensive at all. You top off with fresh as needed. What is the big deal? Hook up an auto top off unit and you don't even have to look at the SG.
How is there a higher degree of error with hypo? If the SG raises too high then ich MAY be able to reproduce. Unlike copper, where if the copper level goes too high then the fish are poisoned to death. I have fish in hypo right now. I top the 15 long off every other day. I check the SG, but not constantly. I drew a line on the tank. When it looks off then I check the SG. This is not labor intensive at all. You top off with fresh as needed. What is the big deal? Hook up an auto top off unit and you don't even have to look at the SG.
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usirchchris
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Originally Posted by sepulatian
http:///forum/post/2817244
How is there a higher degree of error with hypo?
I dunno, but 3 out of the 4 times I have tried hypo...it has not worked. I have said before I am sure it is something that I am doing incorrectly. If I knew what the degree was, there would be no error. Copper works everytime...for me.
If you like hypo that's great...more power to you...just not for me.
http:///forum/post/2817244
How is there a higher degree of error with hypo?
I dunno, but 3 out of the 4 times I have tried hypo...it has not worked. I have said before I am sure it is something that I am doing incorrectly. If I knew what the degree was, there would be no error. Copper works everytime...for me.
If you like hypo that's great...more power to you...just not for me.
sepulatian
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Originally Posted by usirchchris
http:///forum/post/2817253
I dunno, but 3 out of the 4 times I have tried hypo...it has not worked. I have said before I am sure it is something that I am doing incorrectly. If I knew what the degree was, there would be no error. Copper works everytime...for me.
If you like hypo that's great...more power to you...just not for me.
Alright, I will agree that we have different preferences. My problem with copper is that it is more lethal to certain fish. Some cannot take it at all.
http:///forum/post/2817253
I dunno, but 3 out of the 4 times I have tried hypo...it has not worked. I have said before I am sure it is something that I am doing incorrectly. If I knew what the degree was, there would be no error. Copper works everytime...for me.
If you like hypo that's great...more power to you...just not for me.
Alright, I will agree that we have different preferences. My problem with copper is that it is more lethal to certain fish. Some cannot take it at all.
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usirchchris
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Originally Posted by sepulatian
http:///forum/post/2817259
Alright, I will agree that we have different preferences. My problem with copper is that it is more lethal to certain fish. Some cannot take it at all.
Agreed
. And as of now I will not be using it on my puffers, so I had better nail my hypo technique
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http:///forum/post/2817259
Alright, I will agree that we have different preferences. My problem with copper is that it is more lethal to certain fish. Some cannot take it at all.
Agreed
sepulatian
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Originally Posted by usirchchris
http:///forum/post/2817261
Agreed
. And as of now I will not be using it on my puffers, so I had better nail my hypo technique
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It is NOT hard at all. Be sure the QT is cycled and dont drop the SG dramatically. Pull some water out and dribbel in the fresh.
http:///forum/post/2817261
Agreed
It is NOT hard at all. Be sure the QT is cycled and dont drop the SG dramatically. Pull some water out and dribbel in the fresh.
unleashed
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puffers are copper sensitive yes.. as for Cupramine i have used it in my display tank (fowlr of course) but it will kill of any inverts you may have in it at the time including snails so i don't recommend it in the display..QT is ok.. as for hypo and puffers I would not try it personally.. this can be more stressful than you know on these ones.. puffers are very intolerant to stress.. if its ick your worrying about try the reef safe ick treatment.. but be sure you are treating it for the right issue..
