currently cycling a 90g w/ 100# of LR , 80 # LS, 2 wks in -i have a pr of clowns
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nw2sltfsh
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Originally Posted by Sagowitz
Take your clowns back and read a book.
The Conscientious Marine Aquarist.
3bavboys - what I believe this person is attempting to tell you is that cycling a tank wth fish is not recommended since rarely will the fish survive the fluctation of water parameters. The best method of cycling a tank is to add a piece of raw shimp from your local grocery store. This will cause the same results as using live fish and will not possibly kill a beautiful creature like clown fish
I do not think you should add a tang to your tank right away quite often these fish do much better in an established system
the recomendation would be to proceed slowly
Take your clowns back and read a book.
The Conscientious Marine Aquarist.
3bavboys - what I believe this person is attempting to tell you is that cycling a tank wth fish is not recommended since rarely will the fish survive the fluctation of water parameters. The best method of cycling a tank is to add a piece of raw shimp from your local grocery store. This will cause the same results as using live fish and will not possibly kill a beautiful creature like clown fish
I do not think you should add a tang to your tank right away quite often these fish do much better in an established system
the recomendation would be to proceed slowly
saltfan
Active Member
Originally Posted by 3bavboys
in there now
in about a month (mid april) i'd like to eventually add 2 of the following -
but would all of these go together eventually ?
lionfish
puffer
snowflake eel
angel fish
tang
:happyfish
I hope your clowns survive, I really do. If you have all that in there right now, your numbers have got to be off the chart. I would just cycle with the LR and LS, and take the clowns back. BEing as you want the big fish ( meat eaters), your clowns will get eatin anyways. But to answer your question, snowflake eel and the puffer should do ok, but the lion an angel and the tang are going to get WAY to big for only a 90 gallon tank. I know you want the tank to look swam in, so you could put all those fish in after your tank cycles in 6 weeks, and just remove them and sell them as they out grow the tank if you wish, but I would not recommend all those fish in a 90 gallon. All those fish would go together in a larger tank, maybe like a 200+ tank.
in there now
in about a month (mid april) i'd like to eventually add 2 of the following -
but would all of these go together eventually ?
lionfish
puffer
snowflake eel
angel fish
tang
:happyfish
I hope your clowns survive, I really do. If you have all that in there right now, your numbers have got to be off the chart. I would just cycle with the LR and LS, and take the clowns back. BEing as you want the big fish ( meat eaters), your clowns will get eatin anyways. But to answer your question, snowflake eel and the puffer should do ok, but the lion an angel and the tang are going to get WAY to big for only a 90 gallon tank. I know you want the tank to look swam in, so you could put all those fish in after your tank cycles in 6 weeks, and just remove them and sell them as they out grow the tank if you wish, but I would not recommend all those fish in a 90 gallon. All those fish would go together in a larger tank, maybe like a 200+ tank.
nw2sltfsh
Member
Originally Posted by Sagowitz
Well, maybe someday you can grow up and learn patience.
Was that really called for? We can answer questions and provide guidance but there is no need to make a statement that someone needs to grow up.
In some cases maybe they learned the harm of cycling after the fact - also maybe the LFS wont take the fish back ... until you walk a mile in their shoes comments like that are not needed
Well, maybe someday you can grow up and learn patience.
Was that really called for? We can answer questions and provide guidance but there is no need to make a statement that someone needs to grow up.
In some cases maybe they learned the harm of cycling after the fact - also maybe the LFS wont take the fish back ... until you walk a mile in their shoes comments like that are not needed
sagowitz
Member
Originally Posted by NW2SLTFSH
Was that really called for? We can answer questions and provide guidance but there is no need to make a statement that someone needs to grow up.
In some cases maybe they learned the harm of cycling after the fact - also maybe the LFS wont take the fish back ... until you walk a mile in their shoes comments like that are not needed
Quite wise, but I'm afraid you are wrong. Sounds to me this person doesn't care, or they would be asking more worthwhile questions than "I'm cycling a tank with clowns, and I want some puffers and lions to put in there with them". If they cared I think a more suitable question would be "what do I do with my fish, I don't want to kill them". Trust me, finding a store to take your fish won't be hard.
Was that really called for? We can answer questions and provide guidance but there is no need to make a statement that someone needs to grow up.
In some cases maybe they learned the harm of cycling after the fact - also maybe the LFS wont take the fish back ... until you walk a mile in their shoes comments like that are not needed
Quite wise, but I'm afraid you are wrong. Sounds to me this person doesn't care, or they would be asking more worthwhile questions than "I'm cycling a tank with clowns, and I want some puffers and lions to put in there with them". If they cared I think a more suitable question would be "what do I do with my fish, I don't want to kill them". Trust me, finding a store to take your fish won't be hard.
saltfan
Active Member
Originally Posted by NW2SLTFSH
Was that really called for? We can answer questions and provide guidance but there is no need to make a statement that someone needs to grow up.
In some cases maybe they learned the harm of cycling after the fact - also maybe the LFS wont take the fish back ... until you walk a mile in their shoes comments like that are not needed
Got my approval on that one also. We are here to help, not chastise people.
Was that really called for? We can answer questions and provide guidance but there is no need to make a statement that someone needs to grow up.
In some cases maybe they learned the harm of cycling after the fact - also maybe the LFS wont take the fish back ... until you walk a mile in their shoes comments like that are not needed
Got my approval on that one also. We are here to help, not chastise people.
shrimpdady
Member
I think that we have all done something that is not a good idea when starting a new tank.
I think we become more resonsible as we gain experience in this hobby.
I don't think we should be too judgemental towards others even if we think that they should have done something different.
Everyone makes mistakes and it is our job to help them and not to scold them as if we are parents and they are kids.
I cycled my tank with a percula and a firefish and two peppermint shrimp. I was told that I should use the "shrimp method to cycle, but I just had to have fish.
All fish and shrimp survived, but after reading alot and becoming aware of the fact that these creatures are not "just fish", I would never cycle a tank with live fish again.
You live, You learn.
I think we become more resonsible as we gain experience in this hobby.
I don't think we should be too judgemental towards others even if we think that they should have done something different.
Everyone makes mistakes and it is our job to help them and not to scold them as if we are parents and they are kids.
I cycled my tank with a percula and a firefish and two peppermint shrimp. I was told that I should use the "shrimp method to cycle, but I just had to have fish.
All fish and shrimp survived, but after reading alot and becoming aware of the fact that these creatures are not "just fish", I would never cycle a tank with live fish again.
You live, You learn.
nw2sltfsh
Member
to answer your orginal question -
A dwarf angel like a flame angel or Coral Beauty would work great in your tanks or any that are considered dwarfs
A dwarf lion would work and due to the realitvely small size should not attempt to eat your other fish (one main disclaimer - all fish are different but my V.Lion has never attempted to eat anything in my tank because I have never fed him live food - a well fed fish on a good schedule doesnt normally attempt to eat tank mates - However if it happens they are behaving as they normally would in the wild - it is in their nature)
SFE would definatly work as long as you have your tank escape proof with some type of cover - these eels are notorious for jumping out
as for the tang - personally I would think you should wait at least 6 months to a year for the tank to mature - Also when it is time to get a tang research alot some of these get huge! a Kole tang is nice and does not get very big - also they like to graze on rock and eat the algea off
Puffer - this is a tough one because there are other things to consider such as what type of puffer are you looking for and what are your plans for a cleanup crew? Puffers have great personalities but can sometimes cause quite a mess and will most likely eat a clean up crew
I also want to add that adding just one or two fish could result in you having the ability to add a full size non dwarf but I am assuming that you are also looking for the activity that multiple fish would provide
Also you may want to consider the order in which you add these fish and how many at a time
A dwarf angel like a flame angel or Coral Beauty would work great in your tanks or any that are considered dwarfs
A dwarf lion would work and due to the realitvely small size should not attempt to eat your other fish (one main disclaimer - all fish are different but my V.Lion has never attempted to eat anything in my tank because I have never fed him live food - a well fed fish on a good schedule doesnt normally attempt to eat tank mates - However if it happens they are behaving as they normally would in the wild - it is in their nature)
SFE would definatly work as long as you have your tank escape proof with some type of cover - these eels are notorious for jumping out
as for the tang - personally I would think you should wait at least 6 months to a year for the tank to mature - Also when it is time to get a tang research alot some of these get huge! a Kole tang is nice and does not get very big - also they like to graze on rock and eat the algea off
Puffer - this is a tough one because there are other things to consider such as what type of puffer are you looking for and what are your plans for a cleanup crew? Puffers have great personalities but can sometimes cause quite a mess and will most likely eat a clean up crew
I also want to add that adding just one or two fish could result in you having the ability to add a full size non dwarf but I am assuming that you are also looking for the activity that multiple fish would provide
Also you may want to consider the order in which you add these fish and how many at a time
sagowitz
Member
Originally Posted by 3bavboys
thx nw
i knew that person wasn't worth responding to from the 1st response
this just proves my inclination
I'm sorry, I didn't know you were so sensitive. Next time, instead of giving you the truth, I'll tell you what YOU want to hear. That's the key to success in this hobby.
thx nw
i knew that person wasn't worth responding to from the 1st response
this just proves my inclination
I'm sorry, I didn't know you were so sensitive. Next time, instead of giving you the truth, I'll tell you what YOU want to hear. That's the key to success in this hobby.
cain420
Active Member
u could get a couple of blue powder tangs too.. thats what i would have with a 90 gallon.. 2 of those for sure! they are fun to watch.
If you really are looking into adding these in the future, you need to practice patience now.. I am not flaming or lecturing you about cycling with fish. But if you truely want your tank to be 100% successful, slow down and do alot of research.
If you really are looking into adding these in the future, you need to practice patience now.. I am not flaming or lecturing you about cycling with fish. But if you truely want your tank to be 100% successful, slow down and do alot of research.
whitey
Member
Originally Posted by Sagowitz
I'm sorry, I didn't know you were so sensitive. Next time, instead of giving you the truth, I'll tell you what YOU want to hear. That's the key to success in this hobby.
I agree with you Sag.
Your first comment may have been a little rough, but when this guy comes back and says he knows the consequences of cycling with live fish, it kinda shows his ignorance and in fact should take your advice.
Just because a fish lives through your cycle does not mean the thing was not being tortured during the process. The fish would actually probably rather die than survive after having their gills burned and having to live through hell for a couple months.
The only lion you can get to survive in a 90 is a Dwarf.
The only Tang you should do would be a Kole. I think even Yellows should have a 100 plus gallon tank.
The only Angel would be a Dwarf of some type. Flames or Coral Beauties etc.
There are several small Puffers, but Porcupines and Dog Face Puffers need larger tanks than a 90.
I would take Sag's advice and read a book. We know you won't, but you should return the Clowns until your tank is cycled. It is easy to get impulsive in this hobby and it will only lead to wasted money and wasted fish.
I'm sorry, I didn't know you were so sensitive. Next time, instead of giving you the truth, I'll tell you what YOU want to hear. That's the key to success in this hobby.
I agree with you Sag.
Your first comment may have been a little rough, but when this guy comes back and says he knows the consequences of cycling with live fish, it kinda shows his ignorance and in fact should take your advice.
Just because a fish lives through your cycle does not mean the thing was not being tortured during the process. The fish would actually probably rather die than survive after having their gills burned and having to live through hell for a couple months.
The only lion you can get to survive in a 90 is a Dwarf.
The only Tang you should do would be a Kole. I think even Yellows should have a 100 plus gallon tank.
The only Angel would be a Dwarf of some type. Flames or Coral Beauties etc.
There are several small Puffers, but Porcupines and Dog Face Puffers need larger tanks than a 90.
I would take Sag's advice and read a book. We know you won't, but you should return the Clowns until your tank is cycled. It is easy to get impulsive in this hobby and it will only lead to wasted money and wasted fish.