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geoffer

geoffer

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I had a couple of hermit crabs that hung on to one of the pieces of LR and took a ride home with me from the LFS. I know that they are part of the "Cleaner Crew". Will having them in the tank while it is beginning to mature impeede the process since the hermit crabs are feeding off of the algae? Will they survive the cycle once the ammonia starts to spike or should I take them out?
Also, another piece of LR has some small botton polyps starting to grow on it. Will they surrive the cycle?
 
sign guy

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Originally Posted by Geoffer
I had a couple of hermit crabs that hung on to one of the pieces of LR and took a ride home with me from the LFS. I know that they are part of the "Cleaner Crew". Will having them in the tank while it is beginning to mature impeede the process since the hermit crabs are feeding off of the algae? no Will they survive the cycle once the ammonia starts to spike 50/50 chanceor should I take them out? I would if It were me Also, another piece of LR has some small botton polyps starting to grow on it. Will they surrive the cycle?prob not
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zephyrlily

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Go to your nearest supermarket and get 1 raw jumbo shrimp, (some places won't even bother charging you), put it in your tank and let it decompose to start the cycle, you can take out whats left of it after a week, but if you have crabs in there they'll pretty much be your garbage disposal.
 
1journeyman

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Originally Posted by zephyrlily
Go to your nearest supermarket and get 1 raw jumbo shrimp, (some places won't even bother charging you), put it in your tank and let it decompose to start the cycle, you can take out whats left of it after a week, but if you have crabs in there they'll pretty much be your garbage disposal.
I actually believe leaving a piece of the shrimp in the tank allows for a smoother cycle as it continues to feed the ammonia fixing bacteria.
 
hatessushi

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Journeyman1 wrote;
Unless you live in a hospital clean room then the air will provide all the bacteria you need. I haven't used it, nor will I. Why pay for something that nature provides free? you don't need to Reinforce bacteria. It reproduces rapidly under the proper circumstances.
You haven't used it then you don't know. Why do you recommend a dead shrimp when what you are saying is that all the bacteria you need is in the air? Personally I would never put a dead shrimp in my tank that would also be boosting the cycle. I would never put a live fish in the tank to cycle it either. I still wait for the cycle. I am never in a hurry. I haven't lost a new fish yet when adding Cycle to the tank. Until you tried it or know about it you should not even comment on it or make any kind of recommendation whether or not to use it. But I can recommend it or not. I use it and will pass on the word about it. Then a person can decide to look into it to see if it is a good product. If I do recommend a product to someone I would expect they would know enough to check it out first.
But I will say that you are completely wrong and closed minded if you say I am wrong and don't have the information about this product or any product for that matter to back yourself up.
 
mcsd22

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HatesSushi said:
Journeyman1 wrote;
You haven't used it then you don't know. Why do you recommend a dead shrimp when what you are saying is that all the bacteria you need is in the air? Personally I would never put a dead shrimp in my tank that would also be boosting the cycle. I would never put a live fish in the tank to cycle it either. I still wait for the cycle.
Just wondering how you start your cycle if you don't add anything to produce amonoia? I agree it is a waste to add bacteria if there is nothing there for it to feed on. With nothing to feed on bacteria will not survive long. Also most bacteria in a bottle contains mostly dead bacteria anyway. Adding a shrimp just starts your cycle not "boosting" it. Waste of money trying to do what mother nature will do for free. Just my opinion.
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sign guy

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Originally Posted by HatesSushi
Journeyman1 wrote;
You haven't used it then you don't know. Why do you recommend a dead shrimp when what you are saying is that all the bacteria you need is in the air? Personally I would never put a dead shrimp in my tank that would also be boosting the cycle. I would never put a live fish in the tank to cycle it either. I still wait for the cycle. I am never in a hurry. I haven't lost a new fish yet when adding Cycle to the tank. Until you tried it or know about it you should not even comment on it or make any kind of recommendation whether or not to use it. But I can recommend it or not. I use it and will pass on the word about it. Then a person can decide to look into it to see if it is a good product. If I do recommend a product to someone I would expect they would know enough to check it out first.
But I will say that you are completely wrong and closed minded if you say I am wrong and don't have the information about this product or any product for that matter to back yourself up.
I am not going to get in the middel of yall's spat but the raw shrimp is not to start the cycle but to create a larger bio load
 
sign guy

sign guy

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Originally Posted by 1journeyman
I actually believe leaving a piece of the shrimp in the tank allows for a smoother cycle as it continues to feed the ammonia fixing bacteria.
good advice!!
 
hatessushi

hatessushi

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I start the cycle with LR / LS and feed the tank or just feed the tank. All I can say is if your way works for you then fine. I have no problem with that at all. I would also have to say that if you don't know the product then you don't know what it does, all you can do is make a general assumption about it which not just from you but from others about similar products that are junk. So what happens is all products like this (and I really don't think there are any) get a bad bump.
This is the only thing I add to my tank, not just when I started the tank and cycled it but I add it every other week. Whenever I have added any livestock I have never seen any of them display shock symptom except one, my maroon clown (I QT'd him in a tank without Cycle in it) who is now fine and eating and growing like crazy.
 
sign guy

sign guy

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umm Im sign guy not journyman the raw shrimp post was just an explination
too many people think that the shrimp is to start the cycle I was just explaning
remember there are 900 ways to skin a cat and at least 9000 ways to have a nice reef tank
 
hatessushi

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sign guy wrote;
remember there are 900 ways to skin a cat and at least 9000 ways to have a nice reef tank
I thought there was a thousand ways to skin a cat, but I hear ya
 
1journeyman

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Originally Posted by HatesSushi
Journeyman1 wrote;
You haven't used it then you don't know. Why do you recommend a dead shrimp when what you are saying is that all the bacteria you need is in the air?...
Hatessushi, I'm sorry I didn't make the shrimp thing more clear...
"cycle" adds bacteria to your tank. It doesn't feed it. The shrimp is to feed your bacteria.
Your premise, by adding "Cycle", is that you need bacteria added to your tank. My premise, by adding a shrimp, uncured rock, feeding a tank, etc., is that you already have access to bacteria and only need to feed it.
Your argument that you have to try this product is faulty, imho. If my tank cycles without using a product like "cycle" then how could I possibly test to see if it works? Either way my tank is going to cycle.
Hope that makes sense. I'm all for using and supporting new products, but there has to be some supporting science behind the product for me to trust it. I don't see any science explaining why a product is needed to start a bacteria culture.
 
hatessushi

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I never said you had to have it to start a cycle. It may start the cycle sooner but it still has to be fed (LR, dead shrimp, whatever). I prefer to use it because I see the benefits with it as opposed to without it. JMO
I am in no way sayng you guys are wrong and am sorry if that implication is what came across.
 
1journeyman

1journeyman

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Well, i definitely came across the wrong way... sorry about that. So let's go about this a different way.
What benefits do you see with using it?
 
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