Death to the Free Market, thanks Obama

aquaknight

aquaknight

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I usually don't post much politco threads, just get shot or snippet here and there, but this is ridiculous:
Obama's new CAFE standards
So much for free market. If people wanted fuel sippers, people would buy them. When gas was $4.00 a gallon there was a noticeable spike in hybrid sales, however since gas prices dropped, the most popular vehicles sold were once again the F-150 and Silverado. And the drop was so steep for hybrids, even the invincible Toyota
has haulted construction of it's Prius facility in Mississippi.
It is obvious the market doesn't want this and Obama and his adminstration have NO BUSINESS tell me what I should drive.
 
coral keeper

coral keeper

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Come on, chillax. Obama is de bomb! I like what hes doing. Hes making the world a better place.
JK JK
Obama is a Bi**!
 
yearofthenick

yearofthenick

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Who's going to tax the 9 cadillac limousines Obama's got in his new fleet of transportation? Will he pay the $1300 in reg fees for each one?
This really sucks. I don't want to end up like the germans.
 
uneverno

uneverno

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Bush's Energy Independence and Security Act of Dec 2007 already mandates 35 mpg by 2020. Obama's asking for 35.5 by 2016
 
yearofthenick

yearofthenick

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Originally Posted by Bulldog123
http:///forum/post/3048257
YearoftheNick,
We all know the money wont be coming from Cali.
It will from me... I drive a Toyota Tundra.
Originally Posted by Bulldog123
http:///forum/post/3048256
Your going to have to explain why not.

Because the prius uses Ni-Mh batteries in order for it's hybrid synergy drive to work. About every 5-7 years, those batteries need replacing. If you go in and have Toyota do it, they will charge you $9,600. Part of it is for the new battery, part of it is to dispose of the old one. This is one of the reasons why a 2003 Prius is so much cheaper, because it's probably going to need new batteries and that severely depreciates it's value.
The chemical waste in disposing of the batteries is far more harmful to the environment than the 5 years of emissions from a full-size pickup. No matter how you look at it, the Prius is about as wasteful in the long run as any other vehicle on the market.
 
kjr_trig

kjr_trig

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I have mixed emotions on this one...You know I'm a speed nut and love fast cars Aqua, but I would love to see the car companies figure out how to do it without burning so much fuel, this may help to force them too....I live on the outskirts of the 5th largest city in the U.S., and the golf course I work at is evelated enough to see the entire city, the smog is horrific on a good day.
 
jdl

jdl

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Originally Posted by Bulldog123
http:///forum/post/3048256
Your going to have to explain why not.

Because the cost of gas is dynamic. The Prius is higher in price just because it is 'green' and people are still paying for the R&D. By the time you make up the higher price, it will be years from now. Econically it isnt a great move, especially for an ugly car.
The same for going solar or geothermal. The initial cost is too great to offset the lower fuel costs.
Hopefully this all changes in the near future.
 
uneverno

uneverno

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Originally Posted by Bulldog123
http:///forum/post/3048256
Your going to have to explain why not.

If you run the numbers on annual fuel savings vs. price of the car, the economic saving is virtually nil compared to keeping the car you have now or buying a cheaper car that gets less mpg., over the same period of time.
 
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