Did ya notice?

[spanko]

The other things I would add to Darth would be the high cost of wages and the high corporate taxes.
Wages should be driven by the market not by the governments minimum wages and the unions negotiating for wages so that they can get dues to elect the politicians of their choice that will put into law things that help the unions. Organically if allowed to happen that way wages would rise and fall with the demand of the market. Low unemployment would drive wages up as companies vied for the available workforce. I am always amazed at people that say we have to raise the minimum wage and then are surprised when corporations go elsewhere looking for lower wage workers.
Corporate taxes drive companies off shore. We are second in corporate tax rates only to Japan, 2008 rates.

 

[darthtang aw]

Speaking of minimu wage....most states raised the minimum wage a year or two before the economy crash.......coincidence?

 

[reefraff]

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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///forum/thread/384855/did-ya-notice#post_3373129
Passed in a special session? No, the Republican majority-led Senate split the original bill up so that they didn't need a quorum to vote on it. They essentially circumvented the democratic process by voting on a bill based strictly on partisan politics. The vast majority of the citizens in Wisconsin were adamately against this bill. Unfortunately, they didn't bother to go out and vote against this single-minded governor when they had a chance. I guarantee you that Walker and his Senate Republican minions will be "one and done" come next election. They're already wanting to recall all the politicians that voted for the bill.
If insurance companies are 'pulling out' of states based on this healthcare bill, then they're not worth having around in the first place. They're playing the scare tactics game as a way to show their disagreement with this law. Why? Because it will take money out of their pockets. Medicare premiums would go up regardless of this law. That's one of the big targets to help reduce this massive deficit everyone is screaming about. You can't keep funding that government boondoggle and expect to reduce the deficit at the same time.
The requirement for everyone to have some form of insurance won't go into effect until 2014. My guess is that part of the law will be removed before it ever gets inacted. It's the most controversial part of the law. If a Republican-led House, Senate, or even a Republican President comes into play in 2012, they'll repeal that part of the law in a heartbeat. It probably won't even muster support with the Supreme Court, which I'm sure will inevitably have this case come before them.
#1 You going to whine about what the Republicans did when the democrats split the state to deny the rightfully elected majority a vote?
#2 According the the Senate Clerk who acts as parlimentarian they did follow the rules of the Senate when they split up the bill and voted in the special session.
You can speculate about what the people of Wisconsin want till the cows come home but the fact is they voted for these people and like it or not these people have the authority to take votes as they see fit. We'll see what the voters think next election.
As far as insurance companies some see the writing on the wall and are consolidating into the states where they can turn a profit under the onerous conditions of Obama care.
Personally I think the insurance requirement is the best part of Obama care. I think the way they are trying to enforce it is where they are going wrong. You can't tax or fine someone for not doing something but you can reward them for doing something. The constitutional way to do it would be to provide tax credits to those who buy insurance.

 

[bionicarm]

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Originally Posted by reefraff http:///forum/thread/384855/did-ya-notice/20#post_3373225
#1 You going to whine about what the Republicans did when the democrats split the state to deny the rightfully elected majority a vote?
#2 According the the Senate Clerk who acts as parlimentarian they did follow the rules of the Senate when they split up the bill and voted in the special session.
You can speculate about what the people of Wisconsin want till the cows come home but the fact is they voted for these people and like it or not these people have the authority to take votes as they see fit. We'll see what the voters think next election.
As far as insurance companies some see the writing on the wall and are consolidating into the states where they can turn a profit under the onerous conditions of Obama care.
Personally I think the insurance requirement is the best part of Obama care. I think the way they are trying to enforce it is where they are going wrong. You can't tax or fine someone for not doing something but you can reward them for doing something. The constitutional way to do it would be to provide tax credits to those who buy insurance.
Again, they left because they put the desires of their constituents first, politics second. If they stayed, they had no voice and the bill would be crammed down their throats. Half these Republicans that were 'rightfully elected' got into office during mid-term elections. Historically, most of the voting population stay away and usually ignore those elections. Unfortunately, for the Wisconsin public, it bit them in the rear-end this time.
Yea, they followed proper procedure by splitting the bill. But they did it strictly for the personal gain and political agenda. If this option was available all the time, why did they wait so long to do it? Partisan politics, pure and simple.

 

[mantisman51]

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///forum/thread/384855/did-ya-notice#post_3373195
Oh, I also forgot...mantis...about half of our manufacturing jobs lost are due to technological advances...........maybe a little more than half...would have to dig out the numbers to give an exact estimate.
Is this the right thread?

Also, after a month of snoozing, this place is rocking again!
There was no dirty tricks by the Wisconsin Reps. The Dems were trying to use procedural games to stop debate. Again, it was the Dems stopping the lawful debate and vote on the bill. Bio, try as you might, you can't get around that the Dems LOST!!! They can't stand that they and their ideas were rejected by the people and are doing what they always do: obstruct and go to the courts since the people don't want their garbage.

 

[mantisman51]

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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///forum/thread/384855/did-ya-notice/20#post_3373363
Again, they left because they put the desires of their constituents first, politics second. If they stayed, they had no voice and the bill would be crammed down their throats. Half these Republicans that were 'rightfully elected' got into office during mid-term elections. Historically, most of the voting population stay away and usually ignore those elections. Unfortunately, for the Wisconsin public, it bit them in the rear-end this time. It's called losing an election. They don't have the majority. So yeah, that means what they want doesn't matter.
Yea, they followed proper procedure by splitting the bill. But they did it strictly for the personal gain and political agenda. If this option was available all the time, why did they wait so long to do it? Partisan politics, pure and simple. Really? The state going bankrupt from these Democrat/union sweetheart deals had nothing to do with it? And the Dems bankrupting the state to buy the union vote and hang on to power isn't politics? It must be nice to not have to see the world as it really is-only the way you want.