Differentiating between a Cinnamon and a Tomato

kaingers

Member
How can you tell the difference between a Cinnamon and Tomato clown? I have a rank raised Tomato hosting my GBTA, and another what I thought was a Tomato that hangs out in the back of the tank. I am trying to breed the two and the smaller (male) is darker in color and does not go anywhere near the larger brighter (female) that hangs out in the anemone. I have had them in the same tank for almost 3 months now.
The reason I am concerned the little guy isn't a Tomato is because I went back to the store I bought him at and they were listed as Cinnamon clowns, but looked exactly like the one I bought a couple months before.
If he is a Cinnamon, is there a chance they would still mate?
 

gmann1139

Active Member
Cinnamon Clowns are relatively rare, like true Sebae Clowns.
Cinnamon clowns have a true black spot, and are more tear-dropped shaped.
Tomatos have more of a mohawk, and more of a constant color across their body.
 

kaingers

Member
He is significantly smaller than the other, and I read that within a mated pair the male is suppose to be brighter than the female which Is not the case for these two... atleast not yet.

 
looks like a cinnamon to me. If it were a tomato it would be compleatly the orange color that is all along the edge of the cinnamon color. If they havnt killed each other after 3 months, they may pair up. The tomato will most likely kill the smaller one once it matures though.
 

gmann1139

Active Member
Looks exactly like the tomato in my tank.
I'm more interested in the other clown that's hanging on the edge of the picture. It may be angle, but it looks more teardrop shaped than a tomato.
 

rod buehle

Member
I wont say the difference between cinnimon/Tomato, but I will post melenopuys/frenatus
From Fautin and Allen
A. frenatus
Original description: As Amphiprion frenatus, from specimens collected at Japan
Colour features and size: Adults with a single white head bar; females mainly blackish on sides with red snout,

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, belly, and fins; males considerably smaller than females and lacking blackish colouration -- being instead red overall; juveniles with two or three white bars. Maximum length about 140 mm.
Similar species: Amphiprion rubrocinctus (northwestern Australia) is very similar in colouration, but its white bar lacks the distinctive black outline of A. frenatus; the bar in females is poorly developed, has an irregular outline, and is sometimes discontinuous on top of the head; the smaller male generally has blackish sides. Small juveniles of A. frenatus and A. rubrocinctus are very difficult to separate; because they do not have overlapping distributions, geography is the best means of distinguishing them. Amphiprion melanopus (western Pacific) is also similar, but generally has a broader white head bar and specimens from most areas (except eastern Melanesia) have black pelvic and anal fins.
melanopus
Original description: As Amphiprion melanopus, from specimens collected at Ambon (Molucca Islands, Indonesia)
Colour features and size: Adults usually black on sides with reddish snout, belly, dorsal fin, and tail (sometimes pale yellow); pelvic and anal fins usually black; a single relatively broad white bar on head. Some individuals from the Coral Sea lack head bar; fish from the Fiji Islands and southeastern Polynesia entirely red except for white head bar; those from the Solomon Islands, Vanuatu, and New Caledonia have reduced black patch on the side. Maximum length about 120 mm.
Similar species: In the normal adult colouration, the black pelvic and anal fins easily distinguish A. melanopus from the other single-barred, red-finned species, A. frenatus (South China Sea to Japan) and A. rubrocinctus (northwestern Australia). However, Fijian and southeastern Polynesian specimens are readily confused with the red males of A. frenatus. The best means of separation is the pronounced black border on the margins (particularly the rear one) of the white head bar in A. frenatus, which is lacking in A. melanopus.
 

ms3

Member
i dont know every tomato clown i have ever seen are bright but my cin clown is also darker then the one you posted a pic of. mine is black black from the white bar back to the begining of all the fins
 

kaingers

Member
Also all the pics of Cinnamons on google have a yellowish tint to their tail fins, mine does not have this feature.
 
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