Do Puffer t-shirts really say "doesn't play well with others"?

tonkablue

New Member
Ok so this seems to be the way most describe puffers as well as "runs with scissors...er teeth" We are experienced fish keepers of fresh water fish. We bought a few puffers about 3 months ago all are eating well and doing great. We have unfortunately like lots of puffer owners, been taken in by a pet store selling us a fish that they told us are fresh water fish. Upon further research, of course we have found that we need to take our babies into a more salt environment and are researching that and preparing for their big journey. I found accounts of green spotted puffers losing their coloration and darkening due to being kept as fresh water fish. When changed over to a brackish or salt environment their colors come back. we are preparing to do just that although ours have not shown color changes yet. But we want to keep on top of it and have found advice pertaining to the rate at which they should be slowly switched. We are not without a clue here. My question is mainly that 90% of the places that we've visited on line say that puffers cannot live with other fish or that they can when they are young but not as adults. I know, living in New England, that the New England Aquarium keeps adult puffers with other species, many of which are considered highly aggressive. Anybody here have any accounts that they have heard of, of puffers living in community with other fish? Its just that if we are going to provide them with a very large tank we were hoping to be able to make it a more interesting thing for us to look at. I am also very interested in a Snowflake eel. Any thoughts? (I am well aware of how they rip up their food. Also currently they live with a tiretrack eel, who is aggressive enough that they don't mess with him, and 3 common plecos, who are well armored, enough at least for now, while the puffers are young. None of these fish show any nipped fins, nor do the puffers, my feeling here is that for now they all have enough room. Obviously the eel and plecos will be removed when we go brackish on them. I have noticed that size seems to matter. Our much smaller peacock eel was seen as a food item immediately and by the time i grabbed the net in front of me his fins had already been nipped twice. I have given the peacock a calm home with some rare fantail goldfish and he is happy again in this new gentle home.) Please share your thoughts with us, we are trying to compile data from many sources. We also plan to take notes on our experiences over the next several years as we move the puffers over to what they need and hope that it will come to fruition with no deaths and an article on the subject to help others caught, unfortunately like us, as victims of pet stores' quest for the almighty dollar and not the responsible care of the animal. By the way they are still selling the puffers as fresh water fish, despite our complaints, and even recently got in some 3 inchers that are emaciated and dark brown, obviously because they don't have the water conditions that they need. How sad!!! I wish there was an online list where such petshops could be reported. I'm not talking about petstores that have made a mistake and rectify the situation, but those like our petshop that after they know their mistake continue to sell their pets lying to people, in order to make money and keep ordering pets that are better off left to the pros or lets face it in the wild. Perhaps such pets should be more of a special order thing. Oh and by the way our puffers favorite food item is ghost shrimp which they eat in addition to a very varied diet. The only time I have seen the tiretrack eel eat is when ghost shrimp are offered. Please share your thoughts. I hope my few thoughts and observations help someone else too!
 

moraym

Active Member
There are several questions in there, but let me answer the basic one first if I read it correctly. Yes, you should acclimated your puffers into the brackish environment. I had several puffers that were acclimated fresh to brackish and eventually to full marine in their lifetime. This will lead to better health, feeding response, and coloration over time.
As for aggression, it depends on the type of puffers you're looking at and the size of the tank they're going into. The brackish puffer debate was on this board a month ago or so, here's the link: https://www.saltwaterfish.com/vb/show...hreadid=145461
Look for my avatar picture in there, as I cover many of your questions in there. And you can see other peoples' agreeement/disagreement with stated points.
My quick question to you would be how many puffers are you planning to keep together, in how large of a tank, and what species (figure 8, green spotted, target puffer, etc)?
Depending on that, it'll make it easier for me/us to evaluate the situation and answer more of your questions.
 

tonkablue

New Member
3 green spotted puffers (T. fluviatilis) sorry thought people would get that from my message. I guess a good question would be how aggressive is this particular puffer. Most of what i have seen on the internet simply groups puffers as a whole as being agressive. The only thing in this area that ever stood out was that the dwarf puffers are not as aggressive. I have the funds and space to give them what they need, but my thought was perhaps a 210. And thanks for responding
 

tonkablue

New Member
everything that you wrote on that old post is everything that i have experienced over the last 3 months with my puffs. I am assuming that they will scrap and fight and pick fins more when they outgrow their home. Wow thankyou so much!!!! Is there any chance i could get a snowflake eel in their salt tank when they are bigger? Thank you Thank you Thank you for the great info and you experience!
 

moraym

Active Member
A SFE eel would prob work out with larger green spotted puffers. SFEs arent really fish-eaters, as they have smaller, rounded teeth. I'd say as long as you keep the eel well-fed and happy, he won't go after your puffers. Green spotted puffers are pretty good at getting away if an eel is being too aggressive too, used to have my green spotted with a 15-17" moray.
 

tonkablue

New Member
You have been so much help thank you so much. I really wish i could chat with you and ask so many more questions but the site won't let me. Anyway this is our first foray into salt, thank God we have extensive fresh water experience or we would be utterly lost, but for now we will continue to find info where ever we can. I am thrilled that the possibility of an SFE exists, it sounds like i should try to purchase one a bit smaller than the girth of the puffers and that might help success. :jumping: Tickled pink and jumping for joy here. Now I have plans to make!
 
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