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diane4
Member
This thread is really going off in a direction that I have to chime in about.
I have been involved in the sport of confirmation AKC championship titled Doberman Pinschers for about 20 years. We have finished the AKC confirmation championship title on 2 of our dogs. Just for the sake of the folks that may not know what an AKC confirmation title is, it is a dog that has achieved a total of 15 points from winning multiple shows with at least 2 of the shows being majors under 2 or more different judges (large wins - to complicated to get into here). The goal is to breed Dobermans that closely matches the AKC standard for the breed and a well balance sound dog that expresses good movement, and attitude. This is such a brief summary of all that is involved, but it is a summary.
Just for the record, a well bred Doberman Pinscher in the USA is a male standing about 26-28" inches at the withers (basically at the back) and the female slightly smaller at 24-26" at the back. A well bred female Dob usually weighs around 65 lbs appx., and a male appx 70-85. Some people talk about dobes that are 100+ pounds and 30 something inches at the back, just for the record, oversized dobes are not well bred and the breeder of these oversized Dobermans often are not striving to better the breed (which is the only reason one should breed any dog) and not for money, which some people try to do.
Dobermans come in 4 allowed colors, all colors have the distinct rust markings. The colors are called, black, red, blue and fawn.
AKC breed standard for the Doberman Pinscher
I would like to ask pwnag3!! what his/her intentions are for a dog. Please put my mind and worry at ease, I sure hope that the intent is not for dog pit fighting
People that do that to dogs should be put away. Sickos.
Since someone razzed the folks on this thread for not posting pics, I will share some of the pics of my Dobes. Some have crossed the rainbow bridge, and some are still with me.
I am an AVID Doberman Lover and I will do anything for the breed, for their health, care, protection against idiots, you name it. Here are my babies.
The first picture of the red male was our first AKC Confirmation champion - Flyer CH. Red Sun's Radio Flyer, son of Ch. Brunswigs Cryptonite - Kafka - which was the number 1 working dog for years.
The second picture is of our Tina - Our second AKC Confirmation Champion, received her title in under 20 shows. Ch. Amulet's En Vouge Valit T.
I am not too proud, heh?
I have been involved in the sport of confirmation AKC championship titled Doberman Pinschers for about 20 years. We have finished the AKC confirmation championship title on 2 of our dogs. Just for the sake of the folks that may not know what an AKC confirmation title is, it is a dog that has achieved a total of 15 points from winning multiple shows with at least 2 of the shows being majors under 2 or more different judges (large wins - to complicated to get into here). The goal is to breed Dobermans that closely matches the AKC standard for the breed and a well balance sound dog that expresses good movement, and attitude. This is such a brief summary of all that is involved, but it is a summary.
Just for the record, a well bred Doberman Pinscher in the USA is a male standing about 26-28" inches at the withers (basically at the back) and the female slightly smaller at 24-26" at the back. A well bred female Dob usually weighs around 65 lbs appx., and a male appx 70-85. Some people talk about dobes that are 100+ pounds and 30 something inches at the back, just for the record, oversized dobes are not well bred and the breeder of these oversized Dobermans often are not striving to better the breed (which is the only reason one should breed any dog) and not for money, which some people try to do.
Dobermans come in 4 allowed colors, all colors have the distinct rust markings. The colors are called, black, red, blue and fawn.
AKC breed standard for the Doberman Pinscher
I would like to ask pwnag3!! what his/her intentions are for a dog. Please put my mind and worry at ease, I sure hope that the intent is not for dog pit fighting
People that do that to dogs should be put away. Sickos.
Since someone razzed the folks on this thread for not posting pics, I will share some of the pics of my Dobes. Some have crossed the rainbow bridge, and some are still with me.
I am an AVID Doberman Lover and I will do anything for the breed, for their health, care, protection against idiots, you name it. Here are my babies.
The first picture of the red male was our first AKC Confirmation champion - Flyer CH. Red Sun's Radio Flyer, son of Ch. Brunswigs Cryptonite - Kafka - which was the number 1 working dog for years.
The second picture is of our Tina - Our second AKC Confirmation Champion, received her title in under 20 shows. Ch. Amulet's En Vouge Valit T.
I am not too proud, heh?
darth tang
Active Member
If you want a big dog, get a Great Dane or one of the mastiffs. Especially if you are looking for muscle definition and bulk a Bull Mastiff is what you want. Why bulk up a dog? Just so you can show your friends and say, look how big he looks? That is stupid in my opinion. THAT is the only reason I have every heard of people that do this besides the sickos that "fight" dogs.
What is the point I ask? Are you going to enter your dog in the Mr. Universe contest or some bodybuilding contest?
Forcing your dog to drag weights around in my opinion is cruel. What if someone strapped weights on your back and forced you to drag them around? Samething.....oh yeah, I forgot, It is a dog. (sarcasm off)
What is the point I ask? Are you going to enter your dog in the Mr. Universe contest or some bodybuilding contest?
Forcing your dog to drag weights around in my opinion is cruel. What if someone strapped weights on your back and forced you to drag them around? Samething.....oh yeah, I forgot, It is a dog. (sarcasm off)
pwnag3!!
Member
Originally Posted by Darth Tang
Forcing your dog to drag weights around in my opinion is cruel. What if someone strapped weights on your back and forced you to drag them around? Samething.....oh yeah, I forgot, It is a dog. (sarcasm off)
good one
Diane...
I am not at all for dog fighting. I love my pup. Why would anyone want to make this sweet face a fighter
Forcing your dog to drag weights around in my opinion is cruel. What if someone strapped weights on your back and forced you to drag them around? Samething.....oh yeah, I forgot, It is a dog. (sarcasm off)
good one
Diane...
I am not at all for dog fighting. I love my pup. Why would anyone want to make this sweet face a fighter
diane4
Member
Awe, he is cute. I breath a sigh of relief. I get evil minded when I hear of anyone harming animals, particular my favorite breed the Dobe.
My Dobes have nice muscle mass and healthy body weight and size, no pulling or weight lifting is necessary. And the Dobe is not bred for that type of thing anyhow. Just give him a good diet, lots of love and lots of excersize, nature will do the rest.
Enjoy your baby.
My Dobes have nice muscle mass and healthy body weight and size, no pulling or weight lifting is necessary. And the Dobe is not bred for that type of thing anyhow. Just give him a good diet, lots of love and lots of excersize, nature will do the rest.
Enjoy your baby.
diane4
Member
I for many years, fed my dogs Nutro Max, good food. But, for some reason, I think they changed their formula because my dogs didn't like it as much.
I feed Iam's light/low cal because my females are a bit pudgy.
Of course, they get tastes of things when I am in the kitchen.
Do you have fish tank (s)?
Is that your first Dobe. They are awesome dogs.
I feed Iam's light/low cal because my females are a bit pudgy.
Of course, they get tastes of things when I am in the kitchen.
Do you have fish tank (s)?
Is that your first Dobe. They are awesome dogs.
squirrel
Member
Me and my hubby breed pits and we feed Diamond brand dog food. It is high in protien and fat. When they are puppies they eat this food while still in a fence and get pretty fat then we put them on a good sized chain. All fat then turns into muscle. That has always worked well for us.
1968oldsma
Member
Jeez i post a pic and no one comments on my poor little Kuma...sob..sob.... i was thinking pinchers..my bad.. Here is another picture of the newest addition to the Family "loki" he is a 4 Month old English Springer Spaniel. he is a great little boy.
minersj
New Member
My suggestion, and it is only a suggestion, is to wait until the dog is 14 months before you begin any true regimented exercise. By regimented exercise, I mean weights, pulling, or running with your dog. It is generally not recommended to begin heavy exercise with a dog until it has completely stopped growing and its bones have fused, which is generally around 14 months.
Now I don't mean don't let your dog run around, I am just suggesting not to actively run your dog or bike your dog until she or he is done growing.
I have a well muscled lab that is actually a FEMA urban search and rescue dog (we just got back from Katrina and might be headed out to Rita). I got her toned up by throwing a ball up a hill for 20 minutes or so a day. I simply threw the ball until she was A)tired or B) my arm hurt. Usually B happened first. I know numerous Schutzhund people and by far the most frequent question that I am asked is "How did I get my dog so muscular?" I have a few other tips/tricks for building muscle in dogs that does not require harnesses or sleds if you are interested...sarawininger@hotmail.com
Now I don't mean don't let your dog run around, I am just suggesting not to actively run your dog or bike your dog until she or he is done growing.
I have a well muscled lab that is actually a FEMA urban search and rescue dog (we just got back from Katrina and might be headed out to Rita). I got her toned up by throwing a ball up a hill for 20 minutes or so a day. I simply threw the ball until she was A)tired or B) my arm hurt. Usually B happened first. I know numerous Schutzhund people and by far the most frequent question that I am asked is "How did I get my dog so muscular?" I have a few other tips/tricks for building muscle in dogs that does not require harnesses or sleds if you are interested...sarawininger@hotmail.com
gamedawg
Member
Okay, since the words "Pit Bull" came up in this post, you bet your ass I'm going to say something.
First, Bigger is NOT always better. There are reasons certain dogs are the sizes and builds that they are. Because of the duties they were meant for. If you want a protection dog, you wouldn't go out and buy a Jack Russell. If you want a lap dog, you're not going to look for a St. Bernard. Dobermans were meant to be the build that they are. They weren't meant to be huge and bulky like a Mastiff. They were meant to be swift, agile and have plenty of stamina. If you try to make a Dobie big and buff, you will fail. They will only get as buff as their genes let them be. Putting weights on ANY dog before it's bones and body have matured will hurt it. It will do more bad than good. Dobermans and other large breeds take longer than small or medium sized breeds to mature. Chihuahuas are mature by about 8 months old, where Mastiffs take up to 3 years old to fully mature. Don't get me started on Pit Bulls.
They are an old breed, older than most people think. They are as old as some Mastiff breeds, and far older than Dobermans. Pit Bulls were designed forst to be bull and bear baiting dogs, until that was outlawed. Then they were used as fighting dogs. NEVER as protection dogs. They were made to be very strong, THE strongest dog per their size, and have more pain tolerance than anything on the planet. They are structured to have great stamina and agility. They are born with unflagging courage, perfect temperament, great intelligence, and also a huge amount of drive and determination. All these things are in the breed's standard.
First, Bigger is NOT always better. There are reasons certain dogs are the sizes and builds that they are. Because of the duties they were meant for. If you want a protection dog, you wouldn't go out and buy a Jack Russell. If you want a lap dog, you're not going to look for a St. Bernard. Dobermans were meant to be the build that they are. They weren't meant to be huge and bulky like a Mastiff. They were meant to be swift, agile and have plenty of stamina. If you try to make a Dobie big and buff, you will fail. They will only get as buff as their genes let them be. Putting weights on ANY dog before it's bones and body have matured will hurt it. It will do more bad than good. Dobermans and other large breeds take longer than small or medium sized breeds to mature. Chihuahuas are mature by about 8 months old, where Mastiffs take up to 3 years old to fully mature. Don't get me started on Pit Bulls.
They are an old breed, older than most people think. They are as old as some Mastiff breeds, and far older than Dobermans. Pit Bulls were designed forst to be bull and bear baiting dogs, until that was outlawed. Then they were used as fighting dogs. NEVER as protection dogs. They were made to be very strong, THE strongest dog per their size, and have more pain tolerance than anything on the planet. They are structured to have great stamina and agility. They are born with unflagging courage, perfect temperament, great intelligence, and also a huge amount of drive and determination. All these things are in the breed's standard.
gamedawg
Member
A breed standard is a set of descriptions about the dog, everything from head structure, to coat texture, all the way to the attitude and character of each breed. Each breed standard was written once the breed was perfected, to insure that the breed would stay the same through history, and to give breeders a guideline to how the dog's offspring should be. In shows, each dog is compared to it's breeds standard, and only those who are the closest tot he standard wins the ribbon. For people who want a dog for a certain purpose, they will choose a dog that fits the needs. All dogs were meant for a certain purpose. BUT, for the people that want a dog for a purpose, and get a dog that is not meant for that purpose, and try to change it to their liking, should re-think what they really want the dog for. There are people who get a Pit Bull and try to make it a mastiff. Pit Bulls were not meant to be 100 lb dogs. They were meant to be between 35-65 lbs. The true average for a Pit Bull is 45 lbs. People try to come up to me and brag about their Pit Bull weighing 90 lbs. I laugh. Then I tell them that they most likely have a mixed breed. No TRUE purebred Pit Bull weighs that much. In order to get a dog meant for a certain size that big, you must breed something else into it along the way to get that size.
Example: Look at an American Bulldog, and a Pit Bull. To most people, an American Bulldog and a Pit Bull look the same. The American Bulldog is on average, about 80-100 lbs. SO, some people will breed an American Bulldog to a Pit Bull to make the puppies bigger. They will tell the seller that the pups are purebred Pit Bull, and sometimes, they will even lie on the paperwork they send in to paper the dogs. Then the next person to breed thinks it's purebred Pit Bull, and the next, and the next, etc. That is why we have all these huge Pit Bulls, and everyone thinks they are purebred.
When people see my Pit Bulls, they think they are mixed. Compare my dogs to the Pit Bulls you see in historical books, and there is no difference. Why? Because I got my dogs after I did the research on how the breed was meant to be, and after I found out what breeders stayed with the breed standard. My dogs are TRUE Pit Bulls, and they are perfect with the breed's standard. I do not try to change them from what they are meant to be. I knew when I got them that they are not supposed to be 100 lb dogs. I know that no matter how I try, I cannot make them taller, more furry, or make their bone structure change. The way they are is the way they are supposed to be. I do not need to make them pull chains or give them steroids to be as muscular as their genes make them, and are meant to be. I do not try to make them something they are not meant to be. If I wanted a Mastiff, I would have bought a Mastiff.
Size does not matter in certain breeds, and I say, that the only person who thinks it does, might want to re-evaluate why they think so. There are too many people that use dogs as something to raise their self-esteem, when they should be doing something else to do so. A dog is not for stature. If you need one for that, maybe you shouldn't have one.
This was not meant for any one person, this is for all the people who own a dog to look cool, but they keep the thing on a chain, way out in the backyard, and only sees it to feed it. They don't have the time or money to care for it, yet they will not get rid of it, because they like to say they own it. Same for the people who breed "cool" dogs with no knowledge or purpose, only the purpose to make money or just to SAY that they breed these "cool" dogs.
Okay, I'm done. Sorry it's a book. Got an opinion on this? Email me.
cbpits@yahoo.com
Example: Look at an American Bulldog, and a Pit Bull. To most people, an American Bulldog and a Pit Bull look the same. The American Bulldog is on average, about 80-100 lbs. SO, some people will breed an American Bulldog to a Pit Bull to make the puppies bigger. They will tell the seller that the pups are purebred Pit Bull, and sometimes, they will even lie on the paperwork they send in to paper the dogs. Then the next person to breed thinks it's purebred Pit Bull, and the next, and the next, etc. That is why we have all these huge Pit Bulls, and everyone thinks they are purebred.
When people see my Pit Bulls, they think they are mixed. Compare my dogs to the Pit Bulls you see in historical books, and there is no difference. Why? Because I got my dogs after I did the research on how the breed was meant to be, and after I found out what breeders stayed with the breed standard. My dogs are TRUE Pit Bulls, and they are perfect with the breed's standard. I do not try to change them from what they are meant to be. I knew when I got them that they are not supposed to be 100 lb dogs. I know that no matter how I try, I cannot make them taller, more furry, or make their bone structure change. The way they are is the way they are supposed to be. I do not need to make them pull chains or give them steroids to be as muscular as their genes make them, and are meant to be. I do not try to make them something they are not meant to be. If I wanted a Mastiff, I would have bought a Mastiff.
Size does not matter in certain breeds, and I say, that the only person who thinks it does, might want to re-evaluate why they think so. There are too many people that use dogs as something to raise their self-esteem, when they should be doing something else to do so. A dog is not for stature. If you need one for that, maybe you shouldn't have one.
This was not meant for any one person, this is for all the people who own a dog to look cool, but they keep the thing on a chain, way out in the backyard, and only sees it to feed it. They don't have the time or money to care for it, yet they will not get rid of it, because they like to say they own it. Same for the people who breed "cool" dogs with no knowledge or purpose, only the purpose to make money or just to SAY that they breed these "cool" dogs.
Okay, I'm done. Sorry it's a book. Got an opinion on this? Email me.
cbpits@yahoo.com
michelle l
Member
Originally Posted by diane4
This thread is really going off in a direction that I have to chime in about.
I have been involved in the sport of confirmation AKC championship titled Doberman Pinschers for about 20 years. We have finished the AKC confirmation championship title on 2 of our dogs. Just for the sake of the folks that may not know what an AKC confirmation title is, it is a dog that has achieved a total of 15 points from winning multiple shows with at least 2 of the shows being majors under 2 or more different judges (large wins - to complicated to get into here). The goal is to breed Dobermans that closely matches the AKC standard for the breed and a well balance sound dog that expresses good movement, and attitude. This is such a brief summary of all that is involved, but it is a summary.
Just for the record, a well bred Doberman Pinscher in the USA is a male standing about 26-28" inches at the withers (basically at the back) and the female slightly smaller at 24-26" at the back. A well bred female Dob usually weighs around 65 lbs appx., and a male appx 70-85. Some people talk about dobes that are 100+ pounds and 30 something inches at the back, just for the record, oversized dobes are not well bred and the breeder of these oversized Dobermans often are not striving to better the breed (which is the only reason one should breed any dog) and not for money, which some people try to do.
Dobermans come in 4 allowed colors, all colors have the distinct rust markings. The colors are called, black, red, blue and fawn.
AKC breed standard for the Doberman Pinscher
I would like to ask pwnag3!! what his/her intentions are for a dog. Please put my mind and worry at ease, I sure hope that the intent is not for dog pit fighting
People that do that to dogs should be put away. Sickos.
Since someone razzed the folks on this thread for not posting pics, I will share some of the pics of my Dobes. Some have crossed the rainbow bridge, and some are still with me.
I am an AVID Doberman Lover and I will do anything for the breed, for their health, care, protection against idiots, you name it. Here are my babies.
The first picture of the red male was our first AKC Confirmation champion - Flyer CH. Red Sun's Radio Flyer, son of Ch. Brunswigs Cryptonite - Kafka - which was the number 1 working dog for years.
The second picture is of our Tina - Our second AKC Confirmation Champion, received her title in under 20 shows. Ch. Amulet's En Vouge Valit T.
I am not too proud, heh?
No disrespect intended, but this is a pet peeve of mine. The correct terminology is "conFORMmation," not "conFIRMation."
I applaud you urging the OP not to be involved in the dog world for the wrong reasons.
I own a Dane and it makes me cringe to hear people saying they want a huge dog for illicit purposes, (especially when I hear them say it about a dog as sweet and gentle as a Dane.) Pit fighting and training dogs to be aggressive are why there are breed-bans being passed in cities all across the country.
This thread is really going off in a direction that I have to chime in about.
I have been involved in the sport of confirmation AKC championship titled Doberman Pinschers for about 20 years. We have finished the AKC confirmation championship title on 2 of our dogs. Just for the sake of the folks that may not know what an AKC confirmation title is, it is a dog that has achieved a total of 15 points from winning multiple shows with at least 2 of the shows being majors under 2 or more different judges (large wins - to complicated to get into here). The goal is to breed Dobermans that closely matches the AKC standard for the breed and a well balance sound dog that expresses good movement, and attitude. This is such a brief summary of all that is involved, but it is a summary.
Just for the record, a well bred Doberman Pinscher in the USA is a male standing about 26-28" inches at the withers (basically at the back) and the female slightly smaller at 24-26" at the back. A well bred female Dob usually weighs around 65 lbs appx., and a male appx 70-85. Some people talk about dobes that are 100+ pounds and 30 something inches at the back, just for the record, oversized dobes are not well bred and the breeder of these oversized Dobermans often are not striving to better the breed (which is the only reason one should breed any dog) and not for money, which some people try to do.
Dobermans come in 4 allowed colors, all colors have the distinct rust markings. The colors are called, black, red, blue and fawn.
AKC breed standard for the Doberman Pinscher
I would like to ask pwnag3!! what his/her intentions are for a dog. Please put my mind and worry at ease, I sure hope that the intent is not for dog pit fighting
People that do that to dogs should be put away. Sickos.
Since someone razzed the folks on this thread for not posting pics, I will share some of the pics of my Dobes. Some have crossed the rainbow bridge, and some are still with me.
I am an AVID Doberman Lover and I will do anything for the breed, for their health, care, protection against idiots, you name it. Here are my babies.
The first picture of the red male was our first AKC Confirmation champion - Flyer CH. Red Sun's Radio Flyer, son of Ch. Brunswigs Cryptonite - Kafka - which was the number 1 working dog for years.
The second picture is of our Tina - Our second AKC Confirmation Champion, received her title in under 20 shows. Ch. Amulet's En Vouge Valit T.
I am not too proud, heh?
No disrespect intended, but this is a pet peeve of mine. The correct terminology is "conFORMmation," not "conFIRMation."
I applaud you urging the OP not to be involved in the dog world for the wrong reasons.
crashedin0
Member
if you want a bulky dog pinchers are to lean
pit bull can beef up well
american bull dogare better
english bull dogs are best though
walk them most as possably
run with him the tredmill is the esay way out
use him as an excuse for you to stay in shape
wieghts
go light wieght for long periods of time
heavy wieght can give dogs bone and joint problems
pit bull can beef up well
american bull dogare better
english bull dogs are best though
walk them most as possably
run with him the tredmill is the esay way out
use him as an excuse for you to stay in shape
wieghts
go light wieght for long periods of time
heavy wieght can give dogs bone and joint problems
maeistero
Active Member
have to say i passed up most of these "breeder" people's posts. i don't believe in buying expensive dogs when the local shelter is forced to kill 7-10 a week, 2-3 believed to be "pedigreed" without papers. i bulked up my chow-chow by attaching her leash to a half cinder block. she could easily pull it around although it slowed her down a bit. in addition this kept her from attacking people. she was very quick and defensive but this made her a lot stronger. also an addition of a bit of my protien shake to her morning food REALLY helped. she's up to 2 cinderblocks now and is really small for a chow, but what a dog. noone will ever come on my property and she hates to leave the house/backyard. i love her and keep her shaved like a lion (horror akc people aaaah!!!!)
she won't attack anyone as long as i greet them. best dog i've ever had, although i wish she'd play frisbee like my lab.
diane4
Member
Please don't feel offended, but all this talk about "beefing up" or muscling up dogs by having them pull things like cinder-blocks etc, is really upsetting me. What are you trying to prove or accomplish.
Love the dog, feed it a good diet, walk it for miles and throw a ball or a toy in the field.
I really get the ill sense that there are some folks on this thread that are trying to "muscle" up their dogs to look fierce, threatening or whatever.
Please people, what are you trying to do to these poor dogs. Buy your dog a box of dog cookies and feed it to him. He will bulk up in a much kinder way. :joy: Chow Chows are not pulling dogs. People are sick.
Love the dog, feed it a good diet, walk it for miles and throw a ball or a toy in the field.
I really get the ill sense that there are some folks on this thread that are trying to "muscle" up their dogs to look fierce, threatening or whatever.
Please people, what are you trying to do to these poor dogs. Buy your dog a box of dog cookies and feed it to him. He will bulk up in a much kinder way. :joy: Chow Chows are not pulling dogs. People are sick.
flux
Member
I have seen similar issues come up on this forum before and when anyone says anything about it being cruel all the pit bull owners get all up in arms. If I told you that I was going to start pumping the currant up as high as I could get it in my tank and start gorging my lion fish in an attempt to bulk him up people would jump down my throat. I see no real reason to do this to a dog other then the “OH ----” factor. Can any of you give me a real reason aside from image.