drilled tank needed?

johnny2010

New Member
as some of you know i am new to this hobby, havent really started anything yet, just researching this and that, getting prices, and looking at all ideas, was curious if a drilled tank was needed with a sump or not? and for those that answered my last post thank you for all the advice it really helped me get a good understanding of what i needed, and i actually was not that far off, lol
 
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fishhugger

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You don't need a drilled tank to have a sump. I'll explain the other methods but there's two things you should UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCE....EVER....use to drain water to the sump
Do not use a siphon or use a pump to drain the water to the sump. You will NEVER be able to match the flow of that and your return pump perfectly. Without 24/7 supervision, you WILL flood your house. You may have already guessed that, but I have to make sure.
Now for solutions, you can buy a hang on overflow, or build one out of PVC. The pre-made one can be QUITE costly. A simple pvc one takes up less space, can work just as good if not better (if made properly) and can easily be painted to match your background so you can hardly tell its there (krylon fusion paint is supposed to safe for in tank use)
Just google or youtube DIY PVC overflow and you will figure it out :)
The point of an overflow is, they are designed so they can only drain as much water as what is being pumped into the tank....if your pump is putting in 400GPH, the drain will drain at 400GPH. Use at least 3/4" . I cannot tell you the drain rates of each diameter, however, I made the mistake of using 1/2" pvc and was getting 97GPH, which may be good enough for a 10 gallon tank =P. The larger the ID of the PVC has a somewhat exponential affect on the flow; 1" pvc isnt twice as much as 1/2", its about 6 times as much.
Unless you run an aqualifter pump, after time theres a chance your overflow devices can fail though, air bubbles may find its way inside your overflow and it will cease to drain water. When you find the PVC overflow guide, and I would actually check youtube, they have some good guides, you will see where they attach vinyl tubing to suck out air. And that's what the aqualifter pump attaches to.
All that aside, drilling a tank is supposed to be really easy, there are plently of good guides. All you need is a diamond tipped holesaw, some plumpers putty, and a bottle of water. I am actually planning on drilling my tank when my hole saw arrives. I bought it for 8 bucks on that big auction site. You may know this already, but you cannot drill tempered glass (maybe you can but I dont think you can do it with a simple hole saw)...just dont attempt it. Most glass tanks will only be tempered on the bottom, but to be sure you should contact the manufacturer of your tank.
Best of luck to you ;)
 

johnny2010

New Member
from what i have been told you can not drill tempered glass, but i dont plan on drilling my tank on my own, ill have it done by someone who knows what they are doing, i have the required tools from working with glass years ago, but i am not confident enough to try it, lol. thank you though much appreciated.
 
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fishhugger

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You worked with glass but dont know what you are doing? =D
Joking aside though....because I am planning on drilling my own tank....have you had any bad experiences that leads you away from the idea of drilling the tank? Everyone says its supposed to be incredibly easy, but you have some glass experience and wont do it....just kind of makes me nervous about doing it now, lol.
 

johnny2010

New Member
when i worked with glass it was only for a short time and it wasnt with drilling, also i am very clumsy with glass, i break a glass bout once or twice o month, lol my GF actually bought plastic cups for me to drink out of it got so bad once, lmao i dont mean to dissuade you from doing it, sorry if thats what that seemed like.
 

2quills

Well-Known Member
It is easy. I've done it myself and have seen quite a few members here, even begginers drill there own tanks without any trouble. You still have to be careful in what you are doing but it's really pretty simple. For reference you can search out some videos on google or you-tube...just type in "drilling a glass tank" and you'll find several videos of amatures doing it themselves. Theres a site called glassholes. com which sells kits that come with everything you need...bit, bulkheads, overflows, template. And the price is very reasonable for what you'd pay a professional to drill your tank for you. I've heard of some estimate being $25 and up per hole.
But no, a drilled tank isn't necissary. Just highly recommended by most hobbiest.
Drilling tempered glass can and has been done but I wouldn't do it or recommend it from what I've read. Like fishhugger said, most tanks are only tempered on the bottom. But it's best to try and confirm this with the manufacturer when ever possible. Usually there is a sticker on the bottom of the tank that tells you if it's tempered or not.
 

acrylic51

Active Member
Agree drilled tanks aren't required....Can make life easier...Have have to disagree with 1 of the posts above.....Siphons aren't a NO NO......
 
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fishhugger

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Originally Posted by acrylic51 http:///forum/thread/383012/drilled-tank-needed#post_3346771
Agree drilled tanks aren't required....Can make life easier...Have have to disagree with 1 of the posts above.....Siphons aren't a NO NO......

Eh? You would suggest using a single piece of vinyl tubing to siphon water to your sump?
OR you mean its technically wrong because overflows utilize a siphon? =P
 

acrylic51

Active Member
Dude I'd never suggest something so dumb!!!! What I was pointing out to you when you stated against siphons, is what do you think an overflow box utilizing U tubes is based off of??? Siphon!!!! So yes my point was siphons do work an are safe.
 
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fishhugger

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Originally Posted by acrylic51 http:///forum/thread/383012/drilled-tank-needed#post_3346842
Dude I'd never suggest something so dumb!!!! What I was pointing out to you when you stated against siphons, is what do you think an overflow box utilizing U tubes is based off of??? Siphon!!!! So yes my point was siphons do work an are safe.
I know what you meant, I just had to give you a hard time, like you were to me =P.
Actually before I had edited my original post I was going to mention that overflows work using siphons, but didn't want to confuse the guy :) (no hard feelings?)
 
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