electric bill - please help

calirob

Member
OK, Im having a problem with my electric bill.
I just added MH to my 125 at 3 - 250 HQI Mh
So when adding up total watts used is that 250 * 3=750 watts?
My bill is climbing higher and higher every month and we dont even have AC!
Question is, Is the total wattage from my lights 750 or is it more considereing the ballast too?
Please shed some light for me!
 

saltfan

Active Member
Just look at it this way, your powering a small building with those lights. My shop doesn't have that many watts in it, and I have 10 lights.
 

murph

Active Member
I don't know much about MH having never run them but I seem to remember someone on here saying they should only raise your electric bill somewhere in the neighborhood of ten bucks a month or so.
I see your in The Peoples Republic of California; sure they haven't raised their rates lately or are just screwing up the bill somehow?
 

shu-perman

Member
Our bills ( I live in Orange) went up DRASTICALLY in Jan(rate increases)...I don't think it has anything to do w/ your lighting...those lights should cause an increase of only cents a month to maybe a $1 max increase per month.....
 

rknapp

Member
750w x 12hr=9000wh/day and - about 16 cents/kwh that's $1.44 per day and 1 month would be $43.20 per month. 150w HQIs would have been plenty and would have saved you about $18.00 per month. There's alot of people out there using way more light than they need. The 250s although not necessary will work fine but cost more and generate more heat
 

nytrillium

Member
Last post is correct but if your using core & coil ballasts or tar ballasts your wattage is actually alot higher because they are inefficient. If your using electronic its not too bad for a 150 watt bulb i think they use like 168 watts (at least the ones i have do) and the core & coil will use almost double the wattage of the bulb. :scared: That is one big benefit of using electronic.
 

nytrillium

Member
Last post is correct but if your using core & coil ballasts or tar ballasts your wattage is actually alot higher because they are inefficient. If your using electronic its not too bad for a 150 watt bulb i think they use like 168 watts (at least the ones i have do) and the core & coil will use almost double the wattage of the bulb. :scared: That is one big benefit of using electronic.
If you can bear the downgrade i would say go with 150s or just 2 250s. what you have is really overkill.
Good luck
 

calirob

Member
thanks guys...How would I know if I have core ballast or electric..Im assuming I have electric.
Also: I think the meter guy got a few bad reads over the past months. Maybe a new guy? I hope..
And: If my bill in Orange County Ca was normaly 150-170 do you think a MAG 36 and 750 watts of MH would make it jump to over 300..? Light are on for about 7 hours right now..
 

calirob

Member
Originally Posted by unleashed
looks like my bill every month
:scared:

I know huh...But I only pay 150 normally and now I got some lights and look at my bill..I guess Im selling everything. This hobby is getting expensive
 

nytrillium

Member
if your ballast is big and heavy its a core&coil (it will probably humm a little when its on an they get prertty warm too). Electronic ballasts are silent and run much cooler, They are also much smaller. It will probably be like 2"x3"x6" or so.
Yes it probably could jump that much if your running 3 250 wattt halides, the mag pumps arent all that bad on electricity (cant remember the exact rating but i think its less than 100 watts).
 

unleashed

Active Member
fish only tanks or fowlrs cost much less to run its the reefs that are killers.but this is why everyone is not in this hobby.ways to lower your bill .elec ballest for HM put on limited timers.use pumps that are energy efficient (not mags they suck it all out) if you dont have corals you dont need high lighting.
 

moneyman

Member
Looks like you are using 2055 kWatt hour for this month. What was the number for last month?
750 w x 7 hr/day x 28 day = 147kWh is from just your MH. That's only 7% of your total usage.
 

merredeth

Active Member
Originally Posted by calirob
Check my bill out...See its crazy!~

Okay. I looked up my Mid American Energy today reading your bill made me think more about how the midwestern states are being screwed royally. Keep in mind, my Mid American Energy bill does NOT include heat as I use propane due to living in the country.
Mid American Energy charges the following on my last bill:
Basic energy charge right off the top is $6.00, then the first 800kWh is at the rate of 0.0853, and the next 846kWh is at a rate of 0.04394. Then I have the 1% local option tax which totaled $1.12.
So here it is:
800kWh - 0.08543 = $68.58
846kWh - 0.04394 = $37.17
Local option tax = $1.12
Keeping the line running to the house $6.00
GRAND TOTAL: $112.87
On your bill though, I see DWR generation at one rate all the way through on Part A, but on Part B you have so many variable rates. How in the hell is anyone supposed to figure out how to read the bill?
Because you are in California and the county listed, I have to assume you aren't using heat. Am I correct? I wouldn't think you would be using air conditioning this time of the year, so my thought is your bill has to be screwed up completely.
I have to pump my propane with electric, I have every friggin ammedity in this house you can possibly imagine (hot tub, sauna, double ovens used all the time) yet the amount of kWh between my bill and your bill was 409kWh. I also have mutiple tanks to boot.
I cannot possibly see why there is such a difference in energy costs when I consider my boiler has to run and I assume you aren't using air conditioning all the time.
Had you lived in Iowa, and used propane with a Munchkin boiler (using the same heat delivery I do), your bill would be:
800kWh - 0.0563 = $68.50
1255kWh - 0.04394 = $55.14
1% local option tax = 1.24
Keep the line running to your house = $6.00
GRAND TOTAL: $130.88
While propane is at a premium price right now ($1.30 per gallon, with 2% tax, and 800 gallons in a 1000 gallon tand would be $1060.80) that propane would last me three months. Approximate monthly cost for propane would be $353.60. Now, add that to my electric bill that was $112.87 if the price of propane would stay the same (it hasn't!!!) I pay for electric and propane $466.47.
I can understand why California would pay more for electric however in my own head I guess I have always justified that California is more expensive and the salaries have managed to always maintain a 20% difference in your favor over the wages offered for an identical position offered in Iowa.
I just can't see tanks adding much to the bill of a person here in Iowa or here in California.
I run several tanks, a hot tub, sauna and double ovens at least twice a week. Summer rates when I run my pool pump keep my bill at about the same as if I had the hot tub and sauna running in the winter. However, because we are an energy conscientious family, we don't use the sauna in the summer nor do we use the hot tub in the summer.
As a side note to anyone on Mid American Energy, I've heard that at least here in Iowa the meter readers will be going on strike because Bershire Hathaway wants to screw with healthcare costs, forcing meter readers to take on over a 50% increase in costs only because the rest of the nation's private industry is forcing employees to shoulder more of the responsiblity for healthcare costs.
May Mid American Energy go on strike and the employees not be forced to swallow the 800% increase my family took on when my husband's company screwed with our healthcare and prescription coverage plans!
Denise M.
 

agent707

Member
I thought I'd throw together a CALCULATOR for anyone to use.
Please Do not link to this page... just copy it and put in on your own webpage if you want to. I don't care. Took me like 10 minutes to write it.
MONTHLY BILL CALCULATOR

Hope it helps.
 

merredeth

Active Member
Originally Posted by Agent707
I thought I'd throw together a CALCULATOR for anyone to use.
Please Do not link to this page... just copy it and put in on your own webpage if you want to. I don't care. Took me like 10 minutes to write it.
MONTHLY BILL CALCULATOR
Hope it helps.
You are truly a genius to think of putting together the math formula and posting it for everyone!
:cheer:
I know others will thank you, but I want to as well.
My husband seems to think that my lighting costs close to $25.00 per month. Using your calculator I now know an average number based on my electrical bill to give him to put that argument to rest.
Can you provide me with a formula to use so we can also figure out how to prove the operational costs of pumps, sterilizers and etc? Is there even a way to properly figure it out?
Thanks a bunch for the work you put into this!
Denise M.
 

agent707

Member
Just take the "wattage" from each device and add them up, just as you would the light bulbs. Above calculator will do fine.
The formula it uses is simple. Take the 4 input values and multiply them all together and multiply that by .00001.
(watts)*($./KwH)*(Hrs)*(30)*.00001 = $monthly cost.
Say e.g. Heater is 300 watts. Figure it runs about half the amount of time your lights do, so add that to.
Heater 300/2 = 150 watts
Lights 750 watts
Pumps of all sorts, 200 watts all day would be 400 watts 12 hours.
750+150+400 = 1300 watts.
Plug 1300 watts into the calcultor with the other parameters to get your total approx cost of your aquarium per month.
Yes, it is expensive. $25 per month is very believable for a 100+ gal tank.
 
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