electric current in fish tank??

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sinner's girl

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I went to feed the stars some shrimp and I got shocked. I put my hand in the water again and same thing. turned off everything and no shock.
any ideas???? will the fish be ok? I don't know how long it's been there...I haven't put my hand in the water since before thanksgiving.
thanks.
 

ntvflgirl

Member
It will make your fish act crazy. When you get it fixed, they will probably calm way down. They will thank you for it, I'm sure...lol.
;)
 
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sinner's girl

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all fish and inverts are acting normal. One star is on the power head, but he's moving and he eating. The other star came up to eat (after I turned everything off).
Sinner thinks it's the lights...which i've just cleaned.
So no long term damage to the fish/inverts?
Thanks.
 

ntvflgirl

Member
Probably not if you caught it pretty quickly. If you notice them swimming in circles, then you may have a problem...lol. Do you have a tester to see if the current is still in there?
 
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sinner's girl

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Sinner couldn't find the meter thing to test. I only have my hand to put in the water. I'm not sure what we did but the shock is gone now.
Thanks.
 

scubadoo

Active Member
You should buy a grounding probe and ground the tank and sump if you have one. My understnading is shocks/electric voltage in the tank can cause lateral line disease on fish. Also, voltage can still be present in the tank...and you will NOT feel a shock.
 

greebs

Member
that certainly doesn't sound good, but are you perhaps the ground that causes the elctric charge by putting your hand in the tank? I'm not sure how that electricity thing works but maybe there isn't a charge when you don't have your hand in the tank and by putting your hand in there then the electricty cycle is complete and the charge actually only occurs then?
In any case, this doesn't sound good. I've never had that happen when I put my hand in the tank
 
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thomas712

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Excuse me as I just found this thread. First a question:
Sinner'sGirl - do you have a GFCI outlet for your tank? Its a must.
You should get a voltage meter and test your tank water, this also is a must in my opinon. Every marine aquariust should have one as part of a routien maintanace. This will enable you to find any offending electrical device that you have. Just putting in a ground probe is not enough though I would not set up and aquarium without one either.
Thomas
 
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simm

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Powerheads can cause this. Also if you have hang on filters they can splash water on top of the tank where your lighthood sits and that can cause it as well.
 
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thomas712

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He Hehe, been there done that too. Once I had my hand in the tank and my cheek touched the metal flashing on the VHO and I could taste the gold crown till the next day.
Thomas
 

scotts

Active Member
OK I know a little bit about that electrical thing. What you need to do is go to Home Depot or any hardware store and buy a voltage tester, or sometimes called a multi meter. Mine cost $12. I do not need to know if there is 120 volts or 122 volts. Basically it tells me if voltage is there or not. Then find the problem in your tank. You will have to put one probe in the tank and the other probe on something like a window frame, or even the ground hole in your electrical outlet. Make sure it is the ground hole. The is the round hole below the other two slots. I had this problem once with a heater that had a slight crack in it.
Also putting your aquarium on a GFI is important. I have not done it for mine yet, but I was planning on doing it this weekend. I do not mean to scare you but it has been proven that it takes very little amperage to be fatal. Even 110 volts can do it.
I do not know about grounding your tank. That will just mask the problem and not solve the problem. Granted you will not get shocked, but then you will also not know that there is a problem in your tank and the electricity will continue to flow to ground and run up your electricity bill.
I do not think this will harm your fish because the electricity is not flowing through them. They would have to the electricity flow through them for it to kill them. But it may tickle them and they would not like it. How do I know I am not a fish.:D
Scott
P.S. you can e-mail me at Scotts@valex.com if you have any questions.
 
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thomas712

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What the voltage or "current" can do to your fish is possable HLLD, kill you fish and corals, and generally cause strange behavior..ie rapid jerky swimming patterns, quivering things like that. The fish have an organ that is called the lateral line complex, with which they dectect changes in the area around them like water movment, other fish, navigation, locating food. They can also dectect stray voltage or electrical current.
You test stray voltage with a voltage meter. They can run 20 dollars on up. You need to turn the voltage meter to the 120 AC Voltage. One end of the probe "black" goes into the ground on a outlet like the screw to the plate of the outlet will do, make sure that there is no paint or dirt on it. The other end ofthe probe the "red" end goes into the tank. Then watch the digital numbers or needle move. IF it does move then you have voltage in your tank. This is nothing new so no one need panic at this point.
Now you need to write down the voltage reading. Lets say you come up with 25 volts. Then start disconecting your electrical equipment one at a time. When the voltage goes down figure the difference and write that down as well, so if you unplug the heater and the voltage drops to 12 then your heater was giving off 13 volts alone and should be replaced, I have had that happen on a glass heater, and replaced it with a won pro heat. do this for all electrical equipment and replace as nessessary.
Does this mean that you will read 0 volts...NO Saltwater ions flowing will actually generates an electrical current, this is why some will say that ALL tanks have stray voltage.
Voltage enters the tank by several means, one of which is called induction which is the process by which an elecrtic current, or electric charge, or magnetism is produced by the proximity of an electric or magnetic field...ie powerheads other water pumps. If you use fluorscent lights they will have a strong electric charge inside the tube, and bubbles that break the surface of the water or fish that splash will spray saltwater and if that comes in contact with the lights it could provide a path right to your tank just like sammystingray was talking about I believe. Thats happend to me too.
It is important to note that even if you use a ground probe that you must as a matter of routine maintanance pull the probe out of the water and test your voltage with a voltage meter.
I do know that when I built my ground probe (which cost me about $3.50 to make) I no longer had the problems that I was haveing.
I'll be open and honest
Stray voltage is something that I still do not understand enough. When I get to discussing it with person with an electrical background I find it hard to understand them simply because they are talking a different language to me, but I'm still trying.
I have several links about stray voltage if anyone needs them.
Thomas
 
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