Emergency Help with Stray Voltage

sly

Active Member
It sounds like your water quality is suspect. You should always mix up new water to put in your tank. Not put water from an old tank. It's ok to share rocks and sand from tank to tank, but not water. As water ages it loses valuable nutrients such as calcium and magnesium. Think of aged water as "depleated" water. There are dozens of trace elements which get consumed as the tank ages. Unless you know exactly what those elements are and can add them back to your tank as it ages, you will need to do water changes with new, filtered water.
What kind of filtration do you use? FYI, never use tap or well water under any circumstance unless you filter it. Reverse osmosis/Deionized water is the best.
To properly set up a tank, you need to add freshly mixed water to your tank and let it cycle for at least a month before you add any fish to the tank. It takes a month for the nitrobacter bacteria to fully establish in your tank. This is the bacteria which consumes your fish's waste and is part of your biological filter system. Most people add just live rock and maybe some frozen shrimp to cycle their tank. After a month when the ammonia starts to drop down, they do a major water change to clean the tank and then add just a few fish.
Add fish just a few at a time. As you add fish, you increase the amount of biological load on the tank. It takes some time for your nitrobacter to adjust to the new load. So only add about 1 or 2 fish per month as you stock your tank. Your tank is fully stocked when you start seeing some trace amounts of ammonia or nitrite in your tank. This shows up when your fish load is larger than your filters can hande. At this point you need to either do more water changes, increase your filtering capacity, or get rid of some of your fish.
Acclimation is essential. Use the drip acclimation method as described on this site. I have the best success with this method. I will usually spend about 4 hours acclimating fish. Sudden fish death is usually the result of poorly acclimating the fish into a tank that is not properly established.
 

sh2000

Member
very simple the fish died because the PH was at 7.4 the oxygen went out on the mixed water that was sitting there i now have a PH in the jugs to keep the oxygen in there ..i should have checked the ph of the water before i did a water change..thats it i dont need a lecture on how to set up a tank yes 3 years i know what im doing.. the fish simply died because the PH was 7.4..thats it simple no stray volatge the problem has been delt with and the tank is running well with fish in it...as far as your duplicate thread remark there was two separte issues..but great job pointing that out ill now watch every post you make to remark on them
 

sly

Active Member
I responded to try to help you. Not to lecture you. Thanks for taking my help and throwing it back in my face. If that's your attitude then forget it. I have better things to do than to waste my time on a know-it-all. I wasn't the one who put acidic water in my tank...
 

sh2000

Member
sounded like a lecture to me anyways thanks so much for the help i value everyones opinion here...it is always a factor in my ultimate decsions...again thanks for taking the time much obliged..
 

horsin1963

Member
SH2000 reading your post reminded me of something that happened to me a few weeks back.. A good friend of mine runs a LFS and his 14 year old son helps him on the weekends with the cleaning of the salt tanks. I just happened to come in when he was arguing with his son about the cleaning of one of the tanks. his son was acting like he didnt want to do anything. he started to complain about getting shocked everytime he put his hand in the saltwater. dad put his hand in the water.. no shock.. I put my hand in the water .. no shock, dad was getting mad. I then got to thinking about it and his son really sounded like he was getting shocked. So I told his son to let me grab his arm he did I then put my hand in the water and while holding his arm I got the sh#@ schocked out of me.. to this day we still cant figure out what caused the problem and why he was getting shocked we tested all the electrical and had no problems with anything no wet floor/clothing nothing??. We even shut the main off to all the power on that side of the store and he would still get zapped??... Sorry to hear about your loss but glad to hear you have it on the mend.... Brian
 

sk8shorty01

Active Member
Originally Posted by Horsin1963
http:///forum/post/2510255
SH2000 reading your post reminded me of something that happened to me a few weeks back.. A good friend of mine runs a LFS and his 14 year old son helps him on the weekends with the cleaning of the salt tanks. I just happened to come in when he was arguing with his son about the cleaning of one of the tanks. his son was acting like he didnt want to do anything. he started to complain about getting shocked everytime he put his hand in the saltwater. dad put his hand in the water.. no shock.. I put my hand in the water .. no shock, dad was getting mad. I then got to thinking about it and his son really sounded like he was getting shocked. So I told his son to let me grab his arm he did I then put my hand in the water and while holding his arm I got the sh#@ schocked out of me.. to this day we still cant figure out what caused the problem and why he was getting shocked we tested all the electrical and had no problems with anything no wet floor/clothing nothing??. We even shut the main off to all the power on that side of the store and he would still get zapped??... Sorry to hear about your loss but glad to hear you have it on the mend.... Brian

Just thought I might comment. Was the kid at the store wearing rubber soles? I noticed that I had stray voltage in my tank after I stuck my hand in the tank one time without shoes on and got shocked. Then I put my shoes on and didnt feel a thing. This could be a big reason. Also, the stray voltage in the water could be static electricity from the RO/DI water that is used. I have noticed now that I use RO/DI, when I put my hand in my garbage cans full of fresh RO/DI water, I get a slight static shock because water is quite the conductor of electricity, so i would imagine, pure water would be a better conductor. I could be wrong but I assume this to be true based on my own experiences. Someone please add on if they could!
 

horsin1963

Member
Originally Posted by sk8shorty01
http:///forum/post/2510352
Just thought I might comment. Was the kid at the store wearing rubber soles? I noticed that I had stray voltage in my tank after I stuck my hand in the tank one time without shoes on and got shocked. Then I put my shoes on and didnt feel a thing. This could be a big reason. Also, the stray voltage in the water could be static electricity from the RO/DI water that is used. I have noticed now that I use RO/DI, when I put my hand in my garbage cans full of fresh RO/DI water, I get a slight static shock because water is quite the conductor of electricity, so i would imagine, pure water would be a better conductor. I could be wrong but I assume this to be true based on my own experiences. Someone please add on if they could!
All that i can remember is we both had sneakers on ?? not knowing what his were made from
 

horsin1963

Member
SH did you start this one B4 or after the other was locked up? That one was getting a little nasty at times I had just got done reading it. I had something close to that happen recently, I dont want to anger anyone by saying this but help is help??? a person asked a certain question and gets fourty different answers all talking about the same thing.. none of them having anything to do with the question to start with... if your going to bash someone TURN YOUR PC OFF, go to another thread. dont go off topic, if you do dont do it here... Email the person... dont make the person look like he or she doesnt know what they are doing. that in itself is not respectful or tactfull
to answer your question to start with on the other one is 1.0 rapid change in ph will kill a fish it will shock them and send them into respitory arrest.... that is why they tell you not to air stone a bag that has a shipped fish it will rapidly change the ph and kill the fish.... simple answer that was all that was needed on the other post
I like your picture on the drip aculmation thing.. I found a better way... being that I have close doctor friends.. I.V tubing with the little adjustable wheel it works great. didnt cost a cent and can be adjusted very slow drip or wide open flow if needed... talk with you later....BRIAN
 
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