!EMERGENCY!TERRY B.& others!EMERGENCY!!

mr.marine

mr.marine

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HELP HELP!!!!!!! please read my other post "SOS HELP" as a prelude to get u up to date. i have just noticed about 20 minutes ago that my flameangel has started to develop white spots. i am currently treating with the reef safe oodinium medication that was "presribed" by a local marine biologist. does a fish with oodinium get spots? or does he have another disease. the spots are not really dusty. they are well formed like ich. what should i do? al stores are closed until tomorrow. should i continue with the oodinium treatment or change to a reef safe ich treatment! i do not have a quarantine tank which i am now regreting. i am definately getting one after this ordeal. he seems like he has lost most of his color on the lower and bottom portion of his body and around his head mouth. it looks like there MAY be swelling near the lower mouth area. like where a humans neck is. what should i do? stop oodinium treatment, start ich treatment another treatment etc??? if you would like to know what the active ingredients in the oodinium reef safe med. is see the other post.
thank you.
flame
Remember. i need a reef safe treatment. i have lr and two oc. clowns. 3 snails and 3 crabs. what should i do. REMEMBER i have no quarantine.
thanks again
flame :( :( :(
 
beth

beth

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Just as I suspected and posted in your previous thread, your problem did not seem likely to be oodinium. If the spots look like white salt like dots sprinkled on your fish, then you are dealing with ick. The good news is that ick does not kill as rapidly as does oodinium.
Forget the reef-safe meds, and tomorrow morning rush to your local fish store and get a small tank to setup a hospital. Hyposalinity is the treratment of choice. No meds. Simple, easy and good for your fish.
 
mr.marine

mr.marine

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what is hyposalinity???? how can i cylcle a tank in 1 day.?????? how big of a tank should i get. is 10 gallon ok?? how sshould i set it up? with what? ah! someone help! its probably cheaper to buy a new fish but ill need the hospital so acn someone give me advice??
 
mr.marine

mr.marine

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UPDATE: i have just noticed one of my two oc. clowns has got one spot on his tail. when i set up the hospital tomorrow should i put it in wuth the flame? should i put in both oc. clowns even though only one has a dot. i have a flameangel and 2 oc. clowns in my tank. how rapidly does ich kill. since i first saw the symptoms its been 5 days
 
von_rahvin

von_rahvin

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it takes more that a few days for the ick to kill fish. if one fish has the ick all fish have the ick.. another thought beside hyposalinity, is garlic lace the food. i did this with good results. saved all but my blue headed wrasse. garlic is also a good preventive. i feed my fish food laced with garlic extract around once a month. have not had the problem again.
 
beth

beth

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10 gal will be fine. You can use water from your existing tank for the hospial to assist with cycle as long as this water has perfect water quality. You will be watching your hospital tank daily for water quality issues, and deal with them accordingly [water changes].
As far as filtration you can choose anything. Spare filers that you're not using. Spare equiptment. I like to use a canister filter because I do my water changes directly off the canister rather than the tank--it also adds water volumne and a multitude of choices for filtration media. Make sure that water circulation is good, particularily at the surface water for gas exchange.
Since you will use the same water as from your tank, PH should be fine, but make sure to maintain the same temp.
Once your fish is over in the hospital give him a few hours to settle in, making sure that he is alright from the transfer. Then, over the next 48-hrs slowly drop salinity levels in the hospital tank until you reach 1.09. Feed your fish garlic soaked food. Ick will not tolerate the low salinity, but it will be fine for your sick fish...even good for him for the short haul.
Now, after all visible signs of ick are gone, keep the hospital at this reduced salinity level for 1 month. If all is well after a month, then you slowly raise the salinity over several days. After a few more days after raising the salinity to normal, if the fish is fine, he can be returned home.
Good luck, and keep us posted!
 
mr.marine

mr.marine

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beth
i am going to get a hospital in an hour when the store opens. i think i am going to go with copper, only because of the state of this disease. the clowns are looking ok but the flame has major color loss and about 10 dots. he is alwayse near the surface for high mouvement. is it safe to add like ammo lock or stuff like that while i have copper in the tank since i wont be able to cycle the tank?
thanks alot
sory for posting all over but for a beginners firsty battle with ich it is hell. its a really bad case of it. i dont know how it got in??
 
mr.marine

mr.marine

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ps- i am going to enrich the brine with selcon for like the next month or so. is this ok or should i just go with garlic juice?
 
mr.marine

mr.marine

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this is what i plan to do...............
-buy a 10 gal
-take water from my 45 and fill the 10
-take some of the bio rings from my canister on my 45 and put it in the 10gal filter
-add fish after 2 hours.
-take 1 powerhead from my45 and put it in the 10
-nothing will be in my 45 except rock and crabs/snail.
-treat fish in 10 with copper and selcon/garlic.
-slowly build back up the water in my 45
does this sound ok????
im going to get the ank in about 1 hour
thanks alot to everyone!
much appreciated beth!
flame
 
mr.marine

mr.marine

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UPDATE:
i have now noticed that he has a slit in the middle of his two side fins. the slit extends almost from the edge almost right to the other side of the body.
help. is there a medication thats all purpose??????
 
beth

beth

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Flame, it is your decision to use copper if you want to. Doing so will diminish the quality of your water in your hospital tank as the copper will kill off the bacteria that you are getting and transplanting from your 45gal. Be prepared for ammonia spikes if you insist on medicating your tank.
I am with Terry. Hyposalinity is the way to go, but it is up to you.
 
gen

gen

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Just my opinion, but a couple of months ago I had a problem with ich and I used copper, Beth said to use hypo, and I did not and continued with the copper. Well needless to say my 85 gallon tank crashed!!!! I quickly set up a hospital tank and pulled out what fish I could save. What a mess!!!! My tank had to be started over and only 2 fish survived. What a waist of time and MONEY. You can bet I will NEVER use copper again, if my fish ever get ich again, and I hope not since I put them in a QT one at a time for a two week period, before I introduce them into my main tank. I would do Hypo in a minute. I learned the hard way.
Listen to them, Gen :)
 
beth

beth

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Sad to hear the bad news. Now that this crisis is over, please read up on hyposalinity--the treatment of choice for ick. I know you were not comforatable with it, understandably due to your not knowing what it was and most folks' belief that nothing can be "cured" without meds, but, believe me, hyposalinity works. It works just as fast, or faster than copper, and without any of the detrimental effects that copper has on fish and tank biology.
Few people at LFS's know a lot, and even if they do, they need to sell to stay in business and ICK medication treatment is a big seller for LFS. Not only do they get to sell you the med, but then they get to sell you other stuff you will need to clean up and restart your tank after the med. The marine biologists couldn't make a buck off of you by advising you to treat your fish via hyposalinity--cause its free.
Good luck with your tank and future tank pets.
[ October 28, 2001: Message edited by: Beth ]
 
@knight

@knight

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you still need to traet the other fish in the tank, and whatever you do, wait a few months before adding another.
 
mr.marine

mr.marine

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the other fish in the tanks are fine. they are showing no signs. i am awaitin wednesday when my lfs will get cleaner shrimp. i will buy two. the other fish do not seem to be any different than usual. hopefull the shrimp will take care of this all.
Beth. thank you very much for all ur advice. i would liked to have done hyposalinity but the fish was too far. i would have taken me a while to slowly lower the salinity. i had to try copper. hypo would certainly be my choice in the future. i dont think terry understood how bad it was. the fish could barely swim. hypo would have killed him instantly form shock. thanks again beth. always good to have a nice person ont the boards!
sincerely
Perry (flame)
 
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