Eradicating Monti eating nudis?

veni vidi vici

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After reading a post on another site about monti eating nudis,i though i might just give mine a quick look .Sure enough i found 2 and plucked them from monti.
Now from what I've read so far,there really isnt any way to rid my montis of them except manually .Dipping in any med is temporary at best .Nothing seems to kill monti eating nudi eggs.Except to remove montis and starve them out of DT,is there any other method?Can i save my montis?
TIA
 

dragonboy

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I had the same problem the iodine dip didn't seem to work for me. I use Kent lugiol dip and it doesn't seem to kill them. I try to remove them manually and they tend to come back after awhile. I think its the eggs that are just too hard to find and some are in the sand which is pretty tough to get them.
 

jmick

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I have dealt with monti eating nudis and I feel your pain! I was lucky to catch it on a new frag and was able to get it out of my tank and treat before they were able to spread to other corals. I dipped in TMPPC and this didn't do much. I ended up safing the frag by cutting off all of the effected areas and scrubbing the rest of it...coral took a real beating.
I have heard that radiant wrasses will eat this pest.
 

veni vidi vici

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Originally Posted by Jmick
http:///forum/post/2515185
I have dealt with monti eating nudis and I feel your pain! I was lucky to catch it on a new frag and was able to get it out of my tank and treat before they were able to spread to other corals. I dipped in TMPPC and this didn't do much. I ended up safing the frag by cutting off all of the effected areas and scrubbing the rest of it...coral took a real beating.
I have heard that radiant wrasses will eat this pest.
I did inspect the monti when i brought it home and saw nothing until last night,im thinking they are recently hatched because i also noticed a small portion of my coral eaten.I ended up plucking 3 off and I'm sure there will be more.
I read on another site that potassium permanganate works. I think if the Iodine dip doesnt work that Viper suggested I'm going to give it a shot.
Here is what it says:
Trial 2 – effect of 50mg/l dose on coral and nudibranchs over two hours
An apparently healthy fragment of the same genet of MS1 with a solid mass of nudibranchs (est. >50) on the coral and visible egg clusters was placed into 1000ml aquarium water in a shallow plastic dish with 50mg of potassium permanganate (KMnO4), as above. The following timeline describes the effects as viewed under a Nikon dissecting microscope:
t=1 minute
* nudibranchs immediately begin crawling randomly away from tissue boundary where they were feeding
t=5 minutes
* nudibranchs twisting and curling, cerata tightly folded against body, some raising heads up in water column
* coral appears unaffected by treatment
t=30 minutes
* nudibranchs mostly motionless, some still walking slowly and some detached and floating in water column
* coral appears unaffected by treatment
* water is very brown from organic oxidation
t=60 minutes
* no movement in any nudibranchs; three slightly reactive to probe, some disintegration
* coral appears unaffected by treatment
* water completely brown and difficult to see coral or bottom of container
t=120 minutes
* no nudibranchs or egg clusters visible on coral
* coral is brownish but appears unaffected by treatment
* coral is placed into quarantine system (sharing same water volume as original colonies)
t= 240 minutes
* coral polyps expanded and coloration normal
Trial 3 – effect of high dose (200mg/l) on corals and nudibranchs
Multiple fragments of four species (three MS1, two MS2, two MS3 and three each of M. digitata; green, purple and pink morphs) were exposed to 200mg KMnO4 dissolved in 1000ml aquarium water. Some colonies had nudibranchs present with egg masses; some had neither visible egg masses nor nudibranchs. Colonies remained in the solution for two hours, were rinsed in seawater and removed. All nudibranchs and egg masses were gone, presumably disintegrated. The treatment water was opaque purple brown, indicating an excess of KMnO4 for the amount of organic material oxidized over the two-hour time frame. The corals appeared dead; no mucus was palpable and the polyps appeared disintegrated. They appeared to have only bare skeleton with no overlying tissue. The coral colonies were placed into the quarantine system (sharing same water volume as original colonies). After two days, four M. digitata colonies began extending polyps. After four days, two MS1 colonies, two MS2 colonies, two MS3 colonies and five M. digitata colonies all extended their polyps and appeared normal and healthy, except for areas devoid of tissue previously consumed by nudibranchs. Total mortality from treatment was four M. digitata fragments and one MS1 fragment. This treatment dosage was very stressful to the colonies but indicates an upper concentration limit and time for what was almost an LD50 level (LD31.50) for corals, and effected a 100% kill rate for nudibranchs and egg masses.
Trial 4 – effect of 50mg/ml dose on corals and nudibranchs for 90-210 minutes
Fragments of the same number and genets used in Trial 3, but all hosting aeolid nudibranchs and egg masses, were exposed to 50mg KMnO4 dissolved in 1000ml aquarium water for 1.5-3.5 hours. In no case were nudibranchs or eggs visible on any corals after the treatment durations. Corals in the 3.5 hour treatment looked highly stressed and appeared grossly like those exposed to the 200mg/l dose of Trial 2. They recovered much more quickly, however, and all appeared normal within 24 hours. No coral mortalities occurred.
Trial 5 – effect of minimal dosage on remaining corals and nudibranchs
Fragments of the same number and genets used in Trial 3, but all hosting aeolid nudibranchs and egg masses, were exposed to 50mg KMnO4 dissolved in 1000ml aquarium water for 1.5 hours. In no case were nudibranchs or eggs visible on any corals after the treatment durations. Corals appeared normal after 24 hours.
~Eric Borneman~
 

sh00tist

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Throw a yellow or green coris wrass in there they will be gone in a week and you can put all the chemicals back in the chemistry lab where they belong.
 

groupergenius

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I wish you luck on this. I had them eat my favorite monti. I believe it's what they came in on because it was the first to get attacked. I have since taken all my Montis out of the tank and put them in another after VERY close inspection.
As far as wrasses, I bought a melanarusa, but it lasted 4 days till he decided to become carpet fuzz.

This is in my SPS dominate tank and I'm going to wait out 6-8 months before I put any montis back in. The nudis are very food specific and should hopefully starve out by then.
I have a thread on here that has some pics of the bandits BTW.
 

veni vidi vici

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Originally Posted by GrouperGenius
http:///forum/post/2516804
I wish you luck on this. I had them eat my favorite monti. I believe it's what they came in on because it was the first to get attacked. I have since taken all my Montis out of the tank and put them in another after VERY close inspection.
As far as wrasses, I bought a melanarusa, but it lasted 4 days till he decided to become carpet fuzz.

This is in my SPS dominate tank and I'm going to wait out 6-8 months before I put any montis back in. The nudis are very food specific and should hopefully starve out by then.
I have a thread on here that has some pics of the bandits BTW.
Yeah i read it right after i found them on my Monti.This potassium permanganate sounds promising ,Ill post results after i try it.
 

veni vidi vici

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I have what i need to try and kill these destructive little guys.
here they are before i dip them in the purple death dip for nudis.
 

grumpygils

Active Member
I had them in my frag tank and was lucky enough to eraticate them. I tried the Iodine dip and that killed a few but never really did the the job. I finally just pulled out each piece and scaped them off (eggs too). Shook in clean tank water and put them back in. I did this 3 times over a week and I haven't seen them back in 4-5 months. I think I got lucky. I will be doing some additional research on KMnO4.
Mc
 

veni vidi vici

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Originally Posted by grumpygils
http:///forum/post/2519676
I had them in my frag tank and was lucky enough to eraticate them. I tried the Iodine dip and that killed a few but never really did the the job. I finally just pulled out each piece and scaped them off (eggs too). Shook in clean tank water and put them back in. I did this 3 times over a week and I haven't seen them back in 4-5 months. I think I got lucky. I will be doing some additional research on KMnO4.
Mc
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veni vidi vici

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Ok,mission complete dipped Monti for 90 min.and thoroughly rinsed in 4 gallons of SW via low flow pump and placed back into tank.There is no visible evidence of nudibranchs or eggs on Monti or in treated water .Dissolved like advertised .Also advertised was the appearance of the coral ,post treatment.Dang! it looks beat up.It had fluorescent green tissue before and now it is brown,(hopefully temporary)there is also no polyp extension at this time. However this was anticipated ,this matches the description if the article.By tomorrow i should know if the piece is going to make it or not.

 
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