everything died!..starting over

scary

Member
Is it true that shrimp will harm aneomes? I am cycling a 29 g hex tank right now and I have 2 damsels in it and a few turbo snails. I also have
40 pounds of live rock$$$ and 2 in of live sand. I was just told by a guy at a pet store that I can only have maybe the equivalent of 5 clown fish in my tank. That it is not large enough to accomodate any more fish than that ,but that I could have shrimp, crabs, aneomes. I've put out all this money for 5 little fish- is this true?? I hope not.
 

lefty

Active Member
Some shrimp will eat the pest anemones called aiptasia. I've also heard of peppermint shrimp that have eaten anemones, but not all of them will do that. If you're thinking about getting one, research it very well just in case. Not all shrimp are reef safe. Also, sometimes when it may appear that a shrimp is eating something, it's actually cleaning it. :)
Well, I agree and disagree with the guy at the pet store. Your tank is a hex. Hexagonal tanks are taller instead of wider. You always want a tank to be wider because fish utilize horizontal space more than they do vertical space (with the exception being a seahorse). So, this means someone with a 35g rectangular tank would technically be able to have more fish than someone with a 35g hex tank. I have a 29g rectangular tank that I'm planning on having four fish in. For your tank, I would only put a total of four fish because of the loss of horizontal swimming space. Also, if you do get an anemone, make sure to place it higher up in the tank if you have the proper lighting. Hex tanks are deeper which would decrease the amount of light that would reach an anemone that was all the way at the bottom. Hope this answers your questions. :)
-lefty
 
hi,
a SIXLINE WRASSE IS A GREAT ADDITION TO A Community OR reef tank. I have had mine for years, he doesnt bother anyone and he swims all around the tnak, (he isnt a hider) Fun fish to watch...
Also would do well in smaller tanks becuse they dont get that big. Just MO...
Also, if your new to SWF be careful at the petsore because there is a four and eightline wrase too.. these fish have different personalities..
You want the 6 line in a reef!
Kim
 

scuba-raru

Member
Thanks Kim, I looked into the 6line Wrasse and I think I found my next fish :D hes a cool looking fish. Question, I ve been used to feeding my fish frozen brine shrimp/spirulina cubes, will they eat that? or what should I feed them?
Im into week 2 of cycle, all looks good, ive noticed little tiny transparent animals crawling on the LR, they look like a cross between a brine shrimp and a centipede, any idea what these are? I asume they are coming from the LR
Also ive got a little brown coating on patches of my LS, should I leave that intact or syphon it when the cycle is complete?
thirnd and last question for now, when the tank is finally cycled and Im ready to add my fish should I do a 25% water exchange, ive heard many different things.
Thanks for the info
you guys are DA

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!...and no that isnt a typo ;)
 

meadbhb

Member
Hiya,
Sounds like your tank now has a population of pods...good stuff. Also the brown stuff is dead diatoms, also a sign of a cycling tank. So, you're right on track.
I'd ask what the LFS is feeding thier six-line and continue to feed that. After a while, you can try to change/add to it's diet.
I did a 10% water change when my tank was done cycling. I thing 25% is way to much.
Meadbhb
 

scuba-raru

Member
Thx 4 the post, things seem to be going well in the tank
I have about 3lbs LR in the tank right now, I wanted to add another 4-5, is it safe to do so before the tank cycles completely? in other words could I dunk some rock in there tomorrow? LFS is having a sale!!!
Can I put in a flame scallop?
Thx Agn:D
 
Scuba,
Meadedhd answered most of your questions very well..:yes:
I would NOT put in ANYTHING (fish or inverts)untill your cycle is finished no matter how much your dying to, cuz they will die too...oh, unless your using damsels to cycle, then throw them in. HaHa.. BUT, Let me say in advance your gonna be STEAMING mad trying to get them out to add your fish w/o removing all your pretty rock work. =( Those suckers are FAST and furious! LOLOL
I Specially wouldn't add a flame scallop, they are very sensative to h2o conditons.
As for the rock, if your having a HUGE ammonia spike, I'd say its OK to put in the rock BUT you take the chance of killing off anything growing or living on or in that rock. BUt then again, more LR is good for your tank.. so you way the pro's and con's for you/
:thinking:
as for feeding your fish, I will say this. Alot of people will tell you to ask what the LFS if feeding them. First, I really think that there are several different theories here.
First, How long has the fish been at THAT LFS? If he has only been there a day or two, well then chances are he is in a new environment and may still be acting strangly. If they tell you they are feeding him flake and he is doing well with that, well maybe they just threw in flake and walked away and they never saw him eat it, OR he may have taken a swat at it to see what it is. That fish was raised elsewhere or caught elsewhere BEFORE making it to the LFS, so what he is eating is up to you to figure out what works for you. YOu can use them as a guide.
Secondly, if the fish has been there for sometime and hes acclimated, happy and eating good, the LFS will know more of what his diet has been. If he looks healthy go ahead and pick up what they were feeding him. Read books and see what their diet "should" consist of and try adding that in their diet.
I always try to feed a number of different foods for variety and health for ALL the inhabitants in my tank. Some may be detrivous and some may be herbivors (sp)? There are some great frozen foods out there that are "cubes of variety"
1. Marine Cuisine
2. Angel formula
and there are others but are escaping me right now. also, you can add frozen mysis and the brine if you wish. I would add some ZOE to the brine because it's nutritional value is nothing. This gives the food a boost of nutrition.
3. Seaweed sheets in a clip in the tank too.
As for the water change, well I didnt exactally measure mine, I "eyed" it. But I do agree as long as the cycle has completely finished, i'd do a 10-15% change. I agree you dont want to do a BIG one... All that good bacteria just built up and you dont want to wash it away. =)
The best piece of advice you will get here is PATIENCE, PATIENCE... If you rush it, in the long run your gonna be waiting AGAIN! People who pop in fish too soon end up with a tank full of "ICH"... and THAT hurts.. =(
Sounds like your doing great.. Keep itup!
Sorry this ended up so long but i just started typing and off I went. Hope this helps.
Thanking you kindly, Kim
:hilarious
 

scuba-raru

Member
NICE POST!!...how do you find time to clean teeth when you write such extensive and helpful entries :D seriously, thanks for the info.
I wasnt planning on putting in anything just yet, having already lost my tank once Ive figured out that patience is the name of the game.
LFS has nice LR for cheap so Im going to get a few more lbs. of that and dunk it. I'll let you know how it goes
Thanks again for the help ;).
 

meadbhb

Member
Hiya,
If you read this before you go to the store take a bucket with you and a few blankets. Have them put the LR in the bucket and cover the live rock with water from their tank. The blankets will help hold some heat and stabilize the motion from the car. This way, you'll limit the amount of die off, which should hold off another cycle.
Meadbhb
 

scuba-raru

Member
Ok guys, week 4 in the cycle, got tons of Pods living and crawling around the tank, all seems pretty healthy. The only thing is thatmy Ph is a bit low (acidic) what can I do to stabilize it? Would a simple 5-10% water exchange do it? Let me know....im itchin to put in some stuff!
There have been 2 turbo snails and a little blue leg hermit in there since day one and all are doing well, snails have purple live rock growth on their shells and are eating the little crab is foraging and also doing well.
Lemme know what you think
Thanks,
R.
 
Hey Scuba,
WOW, 4 weeks already? How's your ammonia and Nitrites? If they went UP and DOWN... then you may be ready! Now, check your Nitrates and do a small water change...
Have you tested your Alk and Ca ? You can go to the reef board here and read the informational thread, its at the TOP, it has info about PH and water chemistry.
YOu can add a buffer to raise your PH. Whats the reading? Mine tends to be unstable as well, I alliviate it by weekly water changes (instead of monthly) and I do use buffer. My Kh is 10. which means my water is not too soft and the PH should be stable but... So, so much for all the tests. LOL

That's awesome that our inverts made it through the cycle... boy your lucky. If all is well, GO BUY A FISH!
Thanking you kindly, Kim
 

scuba-raru

Member
Kimmy..always on point with the tips ;) Thx, apreciate it.
Well, I did the water exchange, Ph is around 8.2 and rest of indicators seemed acceptable so I did it...I put in two pepp. shrimp to control a little aptasia problem that carried over from my old tank setup, I already saw 4-5 little polyps so hopefully these guys will keep them in check
I also put in a little blue damsel. I figure hes kind of a "canary in coal mine" if he kicks im out only 2.99 and not 19.99 that the 6line wrasse is going to cost me.
question: Will the 6line and the damsel get along in a 10 gal tank? also, I wanted to put in a skunk cleaner shrimp, you think he'll be ok in there w the damsel? so far he hasnt messed w the pepp.s at all
Im going to try and get some pics and put them up so you can see the tank
Thanks for the tips ;)
R.
 

lefty

Active Member
I'd be pretty concerned that the damsel would hurt your six line. That alone would be enough for me to get rid of him. I have heard of damsels picking on shrimp before, but I wouldn't say it's common. I'd recommend getting that satan fish out of there. :)
-lefty
 

jacknjill

Active Member
yeah a skunk cleaner will do fine with the damsel.
damsels are very territorial and when you put the wrasse in they may fight. what you might have to do is this. when you put the wrasse in and they start fighting (this doesnt always happen but it could) take them both out and put them in a bucket. then rearrange all your rock work and put them in. this messes up the damsel's territory so that the wrasse can establish his while the damsel does too. then they should get along
hope this helps
 

scuba-raru

Member
HAHAHAHAHA satan fish..thats good...
yeah, I was at the LFS getting the shrimp and was like "2.99 blue damsels...gimme one!" like I just wanted to put something in there. When im ready for the 6line ive got plans for the Satan Fish...it involves a tiny trout hook and a delicious piece of shrimp flesh...COME AN GETTIT!!! LOL
(ok for you PETA heads out there that was a JOKE)
 

scuba-raru

Member
I have 2 9w/5000k lights (1white & 1 actinic blue), I run these on a timer from 12noon till 12am, at around 9pm I turn off the white and just leave the blue (got the tank in my room and its like being underwater, very cool)...Is this too much light/for too long?
will blue light grow algae?
no F'n clue...
Thanks,
R.
 
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