Figure 8 Puffer Question PLZ..

vinsaltank

Member
If I converted my my Puffer tank to full Salt..
What sort of inverts. soft corals or other life could theoretically keep with them?
Keep in mind what puffers eat..
Almost everything that moves.
 

liontamer

Member
No inverts, maybe some corals. Considering that they are brackish fish, they wont really know what a coral is, so its 50/50. Now, ive heard in the past though that it is tough to convert these guys over, and they have somewhat large mortality rate. Take it slow and carefully, and you shoiuld succeed. Any fish bigger than it though should do, but brackish puffers are also pretty aggressive from what i remember. Dont like tankmates too much,
 

fishy411

Member
I think they only live in sw as adults or maybe that is a GSP. it will probly eat anything a full sw puffer would eat. and yes liontamer is right. Any fw or brackish puffer will eat or attack ANYTHING else in the tank.
 

moraym

Active Member
That is simply not true, at all. I have had both figure 8 and spotted brackish puffers. I kept both kinds for years in my brackish tanks, far before my saltwater addiction. They were over four years old when I finally sold them to a friend, so i watched them through every stage of their life, and every habit change. Brackish puffers dont get much larger than a few inches around, and if anything, they are scared of everything else in the tank. Mine never bothered anything at all. They even ran away from the bumblebee gobies, which if youve ever seen, are probably the smallest fish you could find (think one of the small yellow clown gobies for SW). Brackish puffers are NOT AGGRESSIVE and never bothered gobies, scats, eels, archers, monos, or anything else, smaller or larger, in my tank. The only thing they are aggressive towards is snails and small inverts. So the correct information is the exact opposite as above, they will not attack anything in the tank. And they love tankmates, they have incredible personality and the only thing you should worry about is other tankmates attacking the puffer.
They do not have a high mortality rate either. On the contrary, brackish fish are born in fresh and brackish waters, live their young lives in brackish, and move into full marine later in life. So they are genetically set-up to make the transition quicker than you'd think. In the wild they don't move a few feet a year, it's actually a quick transition. When I first purchased my eel he was in freshwater, where he lived for six months. I then transitioned him into brackish water in a matter of hours, no ill effects, actually he ate heartier and quicker than any other acclimation I've seen. When I converted him to saltwater, I did it over the course of a day since I was busy doing other tank maintenance, and again, he was fine. The only fish I took a while to convert was a 4-yr old green scat, since he was sick at the time, and I did it over the course of a week, doing 10% changes every few hours or so. They are actually easier to convert than it is to acclimate new fish. It's a simple process, and it's one their bodies are used to going through anyways.
As far as corals go, I have not attempted this yet, but my brackish puffers did pick at a plastic bag once while I was floating a bag w/ some snails in it. So if youre feeding some fw pest snails, and theyre on coral, it'll be munched. And the puffers might pick at the corals as well at first, but I haven't heard much about them and corals. Scats however (esp green scats), are EXCELLENT for removed bad algae blooms in SW tanks, and ive had several people ask me where they can purchase green scats exaclty for that reason.
Good luck, lemme know how the transition and corals go, i'm interested in learning as I've still got a full tank of former-brackish fish now in full salt, and am curious what else I could add.
 

fishy411

Member
u got lucky then bcuz i have heard so many tales of people putting puffers in their community tanks and then having elephantnose catfish with no noses and lonfinned danios with no fins. In general brackish and fw puffers are some of the4 meanest ifsh in the fw world except for midas's and red devils and such.
 

vinsaltank

Member
My puffs have been with me for quite a while.
I have done some reading.
I had been varying there salinity since I have had them,( I heard that was good for brackish fish- simulates there estuary condition..)
But I have had there salinity up around 1.022-1.024 for a month or more.
They are thriving. White bellies, floresent patches, very attentive and not very aggresive towards one another. ( except when someone got a peice of krill , and everyone elses is crunched already..)
As of Friday evening. I put 2 gorgians in with them.
1 yellow finger and 1 purplebranch.
The puffers seem to have no interest in them , they seem to know they're not food. The gorgs little tentacles are waving in the current too.
I am going to try to get a picture of this.
I think I will try a small peice of ricordia next. I am just waiting for my new lights, then I will have 6.5 good watts a gallon.
 

unleashed

Active Member
hi im new to this community.Im not acculay sure which puffers are brackish for life or salt water as adults.I have a stars and stirpes puffer aprox 12 inches length at present time.I have had him in a full salt tank for over a year now hes doing great.as far as inverts go you have to be very careful and aware of the risk when placing them in a puffers comunity.they do tend to love eating everythingI have placed hermit crabs in my communty tank and they have survived for a full yr my serpant star wasnt quite as lucky .i do however periodicly purchase turbo snails for tank cleaners norally 15 at a time they last for a few months.puffy has a taste for escargo.just kep in mind that plants artificial and real along with any invert you place with a puffer is subject to being disposable,corol is a definate no no if alive.dead coral and crushed coral are a good thing to have in a tank with a puffer it will help keep his teeth filed down.maintaing that cute toothy grin.
 

unleashed

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thats a nice looking set up you have there you could probably do with a lower salinaty i keep mine around 1.018 - 1.020 for a salt water tank and they all do very nicely with it
 

moraym

Active Member

Originally posted by unleashed
how do i get my pics on heer they are too big for this site

You'll have to resize the image to 500 x 500 pixels, then use the attach file link on the bottom.
 

moraym

Active Member

Originally posted by fishy411
u got lucky then bcuz i have heard so many tales of people putting puffers in their community tanks and then having elephantnose catfish with no noses and lonfinned danios with no fins. In general brackish and fw puffers are some of the4 meanest ifsh in the fw world except for midas's and red devils and such.

Again, those tales are grossly wrong in regards to the puffer in question in this post. Figure 8, spotted, and topaz puffers in the brackish community tank are fine, except with each other. These three puffers are aggressive to their own species only, and do not like to be together unless the tank is large w/ adequate rockwork/vegetation to provide some territorial areas.
The Target puffer is the opposite, it is a fin-nipper to other fish and tolerates its own species. So maybe you've heard stories of the target puffer, although these are not very common in the brackish world, as most LFSs sell figure 8s and spotted puffers.
So again, unless we're talking about a Target puffer, the other backish puffers do very well in a community tank without other members of their species. And considering the cichlid tanks I used to own, I'd hardly call them some of the meanest fish in the FW world.
The only brackish puffer I have not owned and cannot speak on goes by the common names of "Red-Eyed Puffer" in my LFS, and has glowing red eyes. Although I rarely see them, so I doubt they're the ones in your "stories" about muderous brackish puffers. Maybe just the Targets, even though those are uncomon as well.
 

moraym

Active Member
Here's a shot of the converted spotted puffer. This is before he was converted from the Amazon-pebbled-rock brackish tank to the LS-and-LR saltwater tank. He's the lone 4-yr-old puffer I saved when converting all my tanks over, so he managed to not get sold to my friend. Unfortunately however, he died at about five years when the shield for my powerhead was knocked off by the eel, and the puffer ended up stuck in the powerhead's intake.:nope: The only brackish fish i've lost really, found them to be some of the hardiest fish.
 

vinsaltank

Member
MorayM -He certainly was a nice looking Puff.Sorry for your loss.
The puffers I have converted are " Green spotted" and " Figure 8" ( As known in the LFS.)A total of 5 of them.
My saltwater converts are doing excellent.
I will gradually add new livestock to this new tank and watch.
ill try to take a "Puffers point of view" before I put a piece of potential snack looking life in.
It is nice to talk to other educated brackish water keepers. Not too many people are into TRUE brackish tanks.
I actually had one of the lesser chainstore LFS salemen tell me if I put some of the water from my salt tank in with
" These puffers " --- As he points to the tank of green spotted puffs...
" They"ll die dude"
:confused:
Ill keep everyone posted.
Maybe a small peice of ricordia frag.?
What you think MorayM?
 

liontamer

Member
I used to have a spotted puffer and it killed anything that i put in the tank,m that is where im getting my references from.
 

moraym

Active Member

Originally posted by Vinsaltank
Maybe a small peice of ricordia frag.?
What you think MorayM?

If they haven't bothered the Gorgians yet, you may want to try a ricordia. 'Unleashed' said live corals are a no-no above, not sure if he's tried any, i haven't tried any. Although w/ my 18" moray I dont trust putting small rocks w/ corals in my tank, he's got a habit of playing Jenga w/ my smaller structures.
Please let us know how the corals go, once i'm moved into my new apartment next year I'm probably going to expand my brackish/marine tank to include a few new species and corals.
 
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