Fish dying off after tank upgrade

pchromis

Member
Hello all.
Been exactly 8 weeks since I upgraded from a 37 to 95 reef tank.
Followed all the best advice here and it went well. My existing fish were a Hippo tang, Scopas tang, mating pair of Percula clowns, Mandarin goby, all around 4 years old. There were mushrooms, zoos, polyps and anemones.
The first thing I noticed was the Scopas tang stopped eating after about two weeks. It stayed alive for about 4 weeks then died with no visible problems. After about 6 weeks, the Goby died with no visible signs. I attribute that to the lack of pods and other food source possibly.
Today is exactly 8 weeks since upgrade and only the Hippo tang has survived as the two perc clowns died the other day. The clowns visible signs were some faded/white areas. They ate heartily til I found them dead.
The hippo tang still eats like crazy. Its only visible signs are what appears to be cloudy eyes. I expect he too will eventually die.
All water parameters are ideal. Had water tested also at LFS.
PH 8.3
Nitrates justt about .1 ppm (almost near zero according to test kit chart)
Ammonia 0
Nitrites 0
Phosphates a tad above 0.
I do run a sump with fuge and upgraded from PC to T5 lighting.
I have also added a Colt coral, Torch Coral and some yellow polyps. They are thriving. Also are a cleanup crew with various snails. The anemones have all but died off.
Now I'd like to ask what some of you think. I believe they became stressed with the upgrade, although it took a couple of weeks for first fish to be affected.
I know stress does cause some disease. If this is the case where I truly don't know what caused this devasting problem, what can I do with the remaining Hippo tang?
If the tang dies and and left with the corals and invertabrates, what treatment or procdeure should I undertake before adding fish again.
Like I stated, the corals and snails are thriving. And there were no visible signs of disease except for the clownfish which possibly looked like brooklynella.
Thanks in advance for any help and suggestions.
 

flower

Well-Known Member
Originally Posted by pchromis
http:///forum/post/3171937
Hello all.
Been exactly 8 weeks since I upgraded from a 37 to 95 reef tank.
Followed all the best advice here and it went well. My existing fish were a Hippo tang, Scopas tang, mating pair of Percula clowns, Mandarin goby, all around 4 years old. There were mushrooms, zoos, polyps and anemones.
The first thing I noticed was the Scopas tang stopped eating after about two weeks. It stayed alive for about 4 weeks then died with no visible problems. After about 6 weeks, the Goby died with no visible signs. I attribute that to the lack of pods and other food source possibly.
Today is exactly 8 weeks since upgrade and only the Hippo tang has survived as the two perc clowns died the other day. The clowns visible signs were some faded/white areas. They ate heartily til I found them dead.
The hippo tang still eats like crazy. Its only visible signs are what appears to be cloudy eyes. I expect he too will eventually die.
All water parameters are ideal. Had water tested also at LFS.
PH 8.3
Nitrates justt about .1 ppm (almost near zero according to test kit chart)
Ammonia 0
Nitrites 0
Phosphates a tad above 0.
I do run a sump with fuge and upgraded from PC to T5 lighting.
I have also added a Colt coral, Torch Coral and some yellow polyps. They are thriving. Also are a cleanup crew with various snails. The anemones have all but died off.
Now I'd like to ask what some of you think. I believe they became stressed with the upgrade, although it took a couple of weeks for first fish to be affected.
I know stress does cause some disease. If this is the case where I truly don't know what caused this devasting problem, what can I do with the remaining Hippo tang?
If the tang dies and and left with the corals and invertabrates, what treatment or procdeure should I undertake before adding fish again.
Like I stated, the corals and snails are thriving. And there were no visible signs of disease except for the clownfish which possibly looked like brooklynella.
Thanks in advance for any help and suggestions.

I am so sorry to hear of all the grief…all I can think of….what did you put your fish in while you upgraded? Maybe the tub had issues…I am just tossing out an idea.
While stress can make fish sick, it is usually a constant threat, not a onetime event. If a tub leaked some kind of toxin (BIG MAYBE) it could affect the fish on down the line.
 

pchromis

Member
When building the new tank I had been using "changed" water (around 30%)from existing tank, used new sand with a couple of cups of existing sand. Started moving live rock from tank to new tank. After a couple of days put fish in a 10g tank and moved the rest of the live rock and some water into new tank. After water settled and cleared up somewhat maybe an hour or so....I acclimated the fish in the 10g with "new" tank water. The fish all did well and next day were swimming and eating as always. After the first 4 weeks the scopas wasnt eating and evenetually died.
Do you think that the tank cycled anew?
 

reefjunkiee

Member
The hippo tang still eats like crazy. Its only visible signs are what appears to be cloudy eyes. I expect he too will eventually die.
that tells me there is something in the lines of a pathogen, just a guess i'm no expert but it is a sign. If it were me, i would remove the hippo into QT and treat him with hyposalinity, as well as maracyn two for saltwater fish and hope for the best. and feed him foods soaked in zoe and zoecon.
 

skate020

Member
yeh hyposalinity is a god send,
im sorry to hear about all the fish, i sincerly hope your hippo tang gets healthy again.
post a pic of the cloudy eyes just incase, still do the hyposalinity and treatment because all it can do is good. leave the fish in the QT for about 6weeks, so if there is a pathogen, it'll die from not being able to attach itself to a fish. maybe add a UV steriliser to prevent this happening in the future.
hope all goes well.
 

deejeff442

Active Member
i have moved 4 times in the last 10 yrs.never had a problem.more tanks and up grades.the only way to get disease is by adding it to the tank.
think of what you did.is the tank used?did you add more rock?
anything new can cause problems.
 

beth

Administrator
Staff member
Fish that become stressed with a new tank, are not going to do fine initially, then die for no apparent reason weeks later due to stress of moving.
Can you post a picture of the tang that is living still?
 

beth

Administrator
Staff member
As you said, the tang looks good except for the cloudy eyes. Weird.
Try doing two gal water changes daily. Maybe get new salt.
What is the pH?
 

pchromis

Member
Originally Posted by florida joe
http:///forum/post/3172355
Anemones
what type and are they all accounted for ?
Had 4 bta's which started from one about 3 years and theyre all but gone..
As i stated earlier.. all parameters good as checked by myself and lfs. PH is 8.3
There is also a green chromis in there as well and they both eat like its their last meal.
I forgot to mention that about two weeks ago the Hippo had some bumps with a few white spots on the fin...That disappeared about a day after I first noticed them. But yes..the Cloudy eyes are the only visible sign that something is not right.
 
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