fish issue

[k1972]

I have a 14 gallon bio Cube that is doing well, I have a damsel, a Chronos, a hot pink dotty back (I think that is what he is) and my problem fish a watchman goby. The go by was out for the first week, and the jumped the filter into the 3rd compartment where the power head is in the back of the tank, now he is in a crevice where there is a water level tube, and is hiding there. I have tried to coax him out with food and removing the power head....no luck. He was never harassed. It has been two days. Now he is still there, and I don't know what to do.
My water conditions are 81 degrees, ammonia 0 nitrite 0, nitrate.10 (just did partial change on water this morning), sg. 1.024.
I also have mushrooms and other corals doing well. A small brown alive bloom , but the sails have the knocked out today.
So what do I do with hiding critter? I am afraid he will die back in that hole and create ammonia spike etc?
I did some research and bought a customer tho prevent fish from coming over into the back... I have a skimmer there etc.
The only other thing is that I have a circulation pump in the tank for the corals to move lots of water, the corals love it, and there are plenty of hiding spots.
So how do I get him out? Or do I let him die and deal with the water Changes?

 

[flower]

Hi,
In a 14g tank... I'm not being mean here, I really want to help.
The damsels are evil little fish, and will kill everything else in there, when mature they are known to bite you drawing blood, and the smallest tank any of them need is a 20g.
Chronos???? Do you mean Chromis...if so, the green Chromis according to my book, needs a 55g tank, the other species need a 30g tank.
When it comes to SW tanks, the larger the tank, the easier it is to keep stable...a 14g is expert only size. A good starter size is a 55g or 75g...or at least a 30g.
The only thing you could keep in a 14g tank would be ONE little fish, a yellow clown goby (actually needs 20g but you could get away with it I think) or neon goby (not both, that would over stock it) and maybe a peppermint shrimp and two snails as a CUC (Clean Up Crew). You also need live rock.

 

[k1972]

I have had a 55 fish only tank for 5 years, and good success.
My 14 has a lot of live rock, and is doing good.
Corals and some of these fish are new to me. I bought the book you suggested in the other forum (mini encyclopedia)
What could I replace the damsel with? (Bright colors please) that would work well in your experience? I can donate him to my lfs.
I have always wanted a small reef tank and was thinking of a clown to replace, but not sure how mean they are, the book says they are pretty territorial.
Here is a quick shot with my little brown bloom going away quickly.

 

[grant778]

Flower is saying just to keep one fish in the tank so don't replace the damsel with anything. You should probably give all your fish back to the fish store and get a nano fish more suitable to your aquarium.

 

[grant778]

As flower mentioned, a clown goby would be suitable but other fish options would be the court jester goby, firefish, or pygmy wrasse. Of course there are also many other nano fish besides these that could be the sole fish in your aquarium.

 

[flower]

Hi,
Indeed, only one very little fish can live in such a tiny tank...choose wisely.

 

[btldreef]

I always liked making my 14g a specific tank setup. My favorite was keeping a pistol shrimp and goby combo.
I had a baby clown with them for a little while, but it started eating coral so it had to be removed. Then I had a little tail spit Benny with them that did well. Eventually I added a harlequin filefish (I do not recommend such a fish without A LOT of experience). She was in there for a long time and it was the perfect little tank with peaceful fish and some simple corals. I also kept a fire shrimp in there with them.
The dotty back and damsel that you already have are both aggressive fish. You might have a problem adding a more submissive fish like a clown goby with either of those guys already established in that tank.
As for the goby in the back chamber - good luck! I tore my tank apart because I had one do the same thing and I couldn't get it out.
My suggestion: remove all fish. Start with the most submissive (like a clown goby or fire fish), then you can try the dotty back or similar (6 line wrasse would work well too).

 

[geridoc]

You could go an entirely different direction, and forget about fish. Instead make the tank a mantis shrimp tank, nothing else. These are beautiful animals, fascinating to watch, and highly unusual.

 

[btldreef]

I don't think a 14g bio cube would be suited for a mantis shrimp: the glass isn't very thick and I don't think it's large enough for a full size specimen.

 

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[k1972]

I have read a number of sites that say 4 to 5 fish as long as the bioload stays ok. So I guess what is the reel answer.I test my water daily, and no issues except the brown bloom that is going away. Water changes are a must at 5 gallons a week, and I get plenty of climate daily.
I guess I need a definitive answer.

 

[flower]

Quote:
Originally Posted by k1972 http:///t/396261/fish-issue#post_3530226
I have read a number of sites that say 4 to 5 fish as long as the bioload stays ok. So I guess what is the reel answer.I test my water daily, and no issues except the brown bloom that is going away. Water changes are a must at 5 gallons a week, and I get plenty of climate daily.
I guess I need a definitive answer.
Friend, there is simply no way you can keep 4 to 5 fish in a 14g SW tank, I have buckets that size.
The "bio-load" is the fish themselves and what they produce in a tank...they are biological creatures and load the system with ammonia (waste), So basically what you said was...as long as the fish don't die from their own waste, you can do it. Now doesn't that just sound silly? So whoever gave you that advice either didn't know how tiny your tank was, thought you were a troll and gave you an equally dumb answer, or you misunderstood them.
This is an article on what exactly a bio-load is, and what is happening in a fish tank...http://www.aquarium-pond-answers.com/2013/03/bio-load-in-aquarium-or-pond.html

 

[k1972]

Thank you for the help flower!
Even the book you suggested had said 4 to 5 small fish with good filtration.
I appreciate the advice.

 

[btldreef]

4-5 fish could survive in there if there were TINY and it was really established. But it's really, really not recommended. At one time I had 3-4 in my tank. I wouldn't suggest most people do it though.

 

[flower]

Quote:
Originally Posted by k1972 http:///t/396261/fish-issue#post_3530237
Thank you for the help flower!
Even the book you suggested had said 4 to 5 small fish with good filtration.
I appreciate the advice.
What book suggested 4 to 5 "small" fish in a 14g tank? Also the fish you purchase are not adults, they are just juveniles and will grow.

 

[k1972]

HI Flower,
It was in these two books I bought

The Coral Reef Aquarium: An Owner's Guide to a Happy Healthy Fish (Happy Healthy Pet) (e-book from amazon on my Samsung tablet)
The Reef Aquarium (Mini Encyclopedia Series) (paper book)
I bought those after you recommended to and my disaster with the yellow tang. I can give you page numbers tomorrow when I have time, I have work and grad school tonight so my day is pretty busy.
I really do appreciate all of the help you are giving people on here! (including myself)

 

[flower]

Quote:
Originally Posted by k1972 http:///t/396261/fish-issue#post_3530280
HI Flower,
It was in these two books I bought

The Coral Reef Aquarium: An Owner's Guide to a Happy Healthy Fish (Happy Healthy Pet) (e-book from amazon on my Samsung tablet)
The Reef Aquarium (Mini Encyclopedia Series) (paper book)
I bought those after you recommended to and my disaster with the yellow tang. I can give you page numbers tomorrow when I have time, I have work and grad school tonight so my day is pretty busy.
I really do appreciate all of the help you are giving people on here! (including myself)
There are only 5 books that I ever recommend by name:

• 
  The conscientious aquarist
• 
  Saltwater Aquariums for Dummy's
• 
  Marine Fishes...500 essential to know species
  Marine inverts...Pocket experts
  Corals, A Quick Reference guide.

Oh, and an on-line e-book on Macroalgae, put out by Golf Coast Ecosystems.
LOL...None of my books recommend 4 to 5 fish in a 14g tank...just the opposite. anything smaller then 30g is not recommend, and is expert only.
I believe I speak for everyone on the site when I say this...we only are trying to help you be successful, and enjoy the hobby as much as we do.

 

[saxman]

FWIW, the books I recommend would be:
The Conscientious Marine Aquarium by Bob Fenner
Advanced Marine Aquarium Techniques by Jay Hemdal (Don't let the title fool you, it's a great book).
As for fishes in a 14 gal...nobody is telling you anything wrong at all. 14 gals is a small amount of water, and doesn't give you much room for territorial disputes, not to mention water quality issues. We have a NC12 that houses a single waspfish specimen ATM...it needs to feed better from a stick before adding it to the food-mongers in our 100 gal, and it's plenty of fish for that setup.
BTW, clownfishes are actually nasty little damsels in fancy PJ's, but damsels nonetheless, so you'd be back to square one if you add them to the mix.

 

[k1972]

Ok Flower,
My tank is doing good. I have been doing 20 % water changes the bioload is three snail one coral shrimp, 2 damsel, one blenny, and my nitrate levels between .0 and .020 depending on water changes.
Everything else is zero.
Is this ok?