Flame Angel

[novahobbies]

Goo thread Yanni! Glad to see I should be able to add the flame last. I've learned from experience that coral nippers are much more likely to attack coral that is added to the tank after the fish, so I may just get most of the coral set up before this guy gets added as well....

 

[btldreef]

Originally Posted by novahobbies
http:///forum/post/3206835
Goo thread Yanni! Glad to see I should be able to add the flame last. I've learned from experience that coral nippers are much more likely to attack coral that is added to the tank after the fish, so I may just get most of the coral set up before this guy gets added as well....
9 times out of 10, if they're properly fed and healthy, they'll leave your corals alone. I currently own a clownfish that eats corals,nothing is ever a guaranty.

 

[yannifish]

Originally Posted by novahobbies
http:///forum/post/3206835
Goo thread Yanni! Glad to see I should be able to add the flame last. I've learned from experience that coral nippers are much more likely to attack coral that is added to the tank after the fish, so I may just get most of the coral set up before this guy gets added as well....
Thank you!
That makes sense, so I suppose you need to be certain about your coral choices before adding one.
Originally Posted by BTLDreef
http:///forum/post/3206911
9 times out of 10, if they're properly fed and healthy, they'll leave your corals alone. I currently own a clownfish that eats corals,nothing is ever a guaranty.
Well, I don't have corals, so I don't need to worry about that.
A clown eating corals, never heard of that.

 

[kylev]

When I had my flame it never touched any corals either

 

[seamandrew]

Just a note about the Flame Angel, their typical habitat is deeper than most coral fish. I forget if it's 25 feet or 25 meters, but this plays a role in the the way we the aquarist keep it. This is one of the most beautiful fish and I've had 3 or 4 in my own tanks. However, I kept losing them and approached an adjunct professor at my old university's Marine Sciences department who specialized in tropical fish. He told me that certain species, such a the Flame Angel require larger/deeper tanks that simulate the deeper pressures that one finds in their natural habitat. Could they exist at shallower depths, sure, but not thrive. I've never found this information documented anywhere, but this guy is smart and I trust his advice! So I stopped buying Flame Angels until the day I buy my house and build my mega tank!

 

[mony97]

Originally Posted by seamandrew
http:///forum/post/3217143
Just a note about the Flame Angel, their typical habitat is deeper than most coral fish. I forget if it's 25 feet or 25 meters, but this plays a role in the the way we the aquarist keep it. This is one of the most beautiful fish and I've had 3 or 4 in my own tanks. However, I kept losing them and approached an adjunct professor at my old university's Marine Sciences department who specialized in tropical fish. He told me that certain species, such a the Flame Angel require larger/deeper tanks that simulate the deeper pressures that one finds in their natural habitat. Could they exist at shallower depths, sure, but not thrive. I've never found this information documented anywhere, but this guy is smart and I trust his advice! So I stopped buying Flame Angels until the day I buy my house and build my mega tank!
How deep should the tank be, any exact info? Also how deep are some of your guys tanks that have a flame and are doing well?

 

[btldreef]

Originally Posted by seamandrew
http:///forum/post/3217143
Just a note about the Flame Angel, their typical habitat is deeper than most coral fish. I forget if it's 25 feet or 25 meters, but this plays a role in the the way we the aquarist keep it. This is one of the most beautiful fish and I've had 3 or 4 in my own tanks. However, I kept losing them and approached an adjunct professor at my old university's Marine Sciences department who specialized in tropical fish. He told me that certain species, such a the Flame Angel require larger/deeper tanks that simulate the deeper pressures that one finds in their natural habitat. Could they exist at shallower depths, sure, but not thrive. I've never found this information documented anywhere, but this guy is smart and I trust his advice! So I stopped buying Flame Angels until the day I buy my house and build my mega tank!
I have never ever heard of, nor seen this documented anywhere and I've seen Flame Angels ON reefs when I dive numerous times.
They are one of the easier fish to keep in the hobby and are actually consider a "beginner" level fish on many sites for their ability to thrive in a home aquarium of 30G or larger.
I understand that you respect this guy, but did you bother to ask where he learned this?

 

[seamandrew]

BTLD, this was years ago when I got started in the hobby and I was an undergraduate. I didn't think to ask at the time as it was a priveledge just to speak to the guy.
However, I googled it and found the following links, though none of them provide specifics as to how large a home aquarium should be to simulate the depth:
http://www.animalcorner.co.uk/marine...rineangel.html
http://www.aquaticcommunity.com/Mari...fish/Flame.php
http://fishinsects.suite101.com/arti...rf_angelfishes
Another thing I will add is that I have seen references to Centroypge loricula's poor viability in captivity in recent years. Scott Michael's A Pocket Expert Guide to Marine fishes lists indicates that "in recent years some individuals have failed to survive more than a month; the reason for these mortalities is not known, although collection or shipping probelms are suspected by some observers."
I'm no longer in the marine sciences industry, just a hobby aquarist, but perhaps depth plays an important role in their long term survival that we do not understand. Also, and this is completely anecdotal, but when I think of which tanks I've seen Flame Angels in at actual Aquariums (the type you take your family and kids to, i.e. Baltimore Aquarium), The Flame Angels are always in huge tanks. Perhaps there's a link... It's just my opinion, mixed in with some references and some fading memories.

 

[kjr_trig]

I would make sure any tank in which any Dwarf Angel is added should have plenty of established live rock. Dwarf Angels often take some time before they accept prepared food, my Coral Beauty didn't take the food I offered for about a week. I have a 3.5 inch Flame in my 240 along with a Coral Beauty and a few large angels, they are fantastic fish, and I think one would be fine in a 55, I wouldn't get a really big one though.

 

[yannifish]

Originally Posted by kjr_trig
http:///forum/post/3217292
I would make sure any tank in which any Dwarf Angel is added should have plenty of established live rock. Dwarf Angels often take some time before they accept prepared food, my Coral Beauty didn't take the food I offered for about a week. I have a 3.5 inch Flame in my 240 along with a Coral Beauty and a few large angels, they are fantastic fish, and I think one would be fine in a 55, I wouldn't get a really big one though.
The nice thing is I don't have to worry about that. The LFS I plan on purchasing my angel from makes sure they are eating prepared foods (formula pellets in this case) before offering them for sale. It is always nice to know that.
And they quarantine everything in a seperate system before putting them on the sales floor.