For all those who want/do keep a yellow tang in a 55 ...

alyssia

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I have seen 50 gallons listed as large enough for yellow tangs also, and it's always someplace that is trying to SELL yellow tangs.
 

saltfan

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Originally Posted by aredmon
I also have read that a 50gal. is big enough for a yellow tang. Not just in one place but many places???
Its not a good idea to keep a yellow tang in a tank that small. 8" may not seem much if you have a small one right now, but they do need space to go wild. Now if it was a 55 gallon long maybe, but not a standard. I had a 150g tall, meanig it was only 4' wide, and that was no good, so when they are talking about size tanks, its a relative term used to describe normal tanks.
 

schunior

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As for the Yellow Tang in the 90.....It would be the centerpiece of the tank, the rest of the fish would be small. Right now I am still building the stock up slowly, I have a Royal Grammas, two small clowns and a sea star. I like the Tang and would like a couple jawfish and a blenny.....nothing that gets too big or too aggresive. Would the Yellow Tang work?
 

merredeth

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Originally Posted by notlim
Can you mix two substrate like reef sand (90 lbs),and crushed coral (20 lbs) in a reef tank ?
I wouldn't. The sand will just fall to the bottom and the coral will be on top. It kind of defeats the purpose plus in my opinion it just doesn't look good.
Denise M.
 

jeff s.

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Originally Posted by Merredeth
I hope it doesn't grow because when it grows, it will have less space and become more stressed.
Why don't people realize small tanks have limitations as to what they can adequately house?
Why can't people just buy bigger tanks if they want the type of fish for them? I've got an idea. How about living in your smallest coat closet instead of your entire house for a few weeks and see how you like it? This is basically what you are making a tang do - live in a small enclosure when it is in their very nature to need to roam? You would stress and go mental... so why wouldn't a fish?
We all make mistakes in this hobby, but when experts (like Fenner, and even others on this board) even tell us we can't... it is not longer a mistake - just foolishness.
You should house fish so they can thrive in an environment, not merely survive.
Denise M.

Comparing a fish in a small tank and a human in a closet ? You have issues. I am expecting another kid, which means our 3 bedroom 2500 sq foot home will now have three kids. Which means I will have to pair up 2 of the kids. Should I have thought about this before I spent $350,000 two years ago to live on a golf course,or should I kill a kid off ?
You honestly feel any animal that is taken from its natural habitat and placed anywhere in captivity is thriving ?
I am sorry but it's not the case. Only way any fish will thrive, is if you have an ocean in your backyard. You can have a 2500 gallon tank with one yellow tang in it, and it is still not enough room. So get off your high horse and go release everyone of your fish if you feel that keeping a fish in a tank is same as keeping a human in a closet.
Pretty shallow minded Denise.
 

bawood

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Originally Posted by Jeff S.
Comparing a fish in a small tank and a human in a closet ? You have issues. I am expecting another kid, which means our 3 bedroom 2500 sq foot home will now have three kids. Which means I will have to pair up 2 of the kids. Should I have thought about this before I spent $350,000 two years ago to live on a golf course,or should I kill a kid off ?
You honestly feel any animal that is taken from its natural habitat and placed anywhere in captivity is thriving ?
I am sorry but it's not the case. Only way any fish will thrive, is if you have an ocean in your backyard. You can have a 2500 gallon tank with one yellow tang in it, and it is still not enough room. So get off your high horse and go release everyone of your fish if you feel that keeping a fish in a tank is same as keeping a human in a closet.
Pretty shallow minded Denise.
Actually it isn't shallow minded in my opinion. It'd be like buying a great dane for a studio apartment or something with a 100 sq. ft. yard. Certain animals stay in relatively small areas even in nature(clowns...), other roams and like circle a bigger area. Tangs are one of these species, which is why time and time again people will say they need at least 4' and 6' for certain species.
And yeah you should have planned ahead before buying a house on a golf course. Do you really want to bring family matters and your personal finances into a debate about aquariums?
 

ophiura

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Originally Posted by Mikeyjer
The thing is I have every intention on upgrading my tank pretty soon here. IF your willing to upgrade, it is possible to have a small tang in a 55 gallon with no problem. IF you have no intention on upgrading, then you shouldn't have a tang in a 55!!!! I'm upgrading my reef tank to a 75 or a 110 gallon tank so I hope the Yellow Tang would be nice to my corals. If not, he's gotta go somewhere else

There you go...that's the answer
The only problem is that you must, IMO, have FIRM plans and the budget, not just "I will in the future" because the future is not all that far away with tangs.
The common misconception is that fish grow to the size of their tank, which is not true. So if your tang is fine in a smaller tank for several years because it has not grown at all, then you need to ask WHY it has not grown...and often it will come back to stress from diet, water quality or tank size.
So I am not a fan of the "no way no how" tang threads, because I can think of situations where I would prefer a small tang in a small tank alone
ideally, but to allow it time to grow and acclimate.
Kudos Luke, to you and your LFS!!!
 

merredeth

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Originally Posted by Jeff S.
Comparing a fish in a small tank and a human in a closet ? You have issues. I am expecting another kid, which means our 3 bedroom 2500 sq foot home will now have three kids. Which means I will have to pair up 2 of the kids. Should I have thought about this before I spent $350,000 two years ago to live on a golf course,or should I kill a kid off ?
You honestly feel any animal that is taken from its natural habitat and placed anywhere in captivity is thriving ?
I am sorry but it's not the case. Only way any fish will thrive, is if you have an ocean in your backyard. You can have a 2500 gallon tank with one yellow tang in it, and it is still not enough room. So get off your high horse and go release everyone of your fish if you feel that keeping a fish in a tank is same as keeping a human in a closet.
Pretty shallow minded Denise.
Issues??? What does that mean and where did that come from??
I think you have misread my note and not understood it. I said "thriving" as in the definition of m-w.com (Mirian Webster's dictionary) 1 : to grow vigorously : FLOURISH
- please understand the definition of a word before you start throwing cyber jabs at me.
As far as a $350,000 home and 2500 square feet and putting two kids in the same bedroom on a golf course. Obviously, you have no experience with kids sharing a room. Let me clue you in - I am the stepmother to FIVE, count them, (Stacy, Michael, Jillena, Mark & Katie) FIVE kids and the natural mother of one who is now deceased. I have PLENTY
of stories I can share with you on pairing kids in bedrooms throughout the years and the problems that come with sharing limited space.
In a few years when you see the kids that are sharing a room fight or ague about space issues, I'll lay money you sell your castle and buy a bigger one. I know my husband and I have built and sold homes throughout the years to properly accomodate our children's need for space AS THEY GREW OLDER AND BIGGER
to accomodate the needs for space. Sharing rooms is fine when you are talking about toddlers and little kids - teenagers sharing a room brings forth problems you haven't even thought about imagining yet.
Tanks are no different for TANGS. Tangs need space to THRIVE - as in FLOURISH so they can remain healthy. As kids grow, they need space to call their own. A 55 gallon tank fully stocked with a tang included will eventually lead to death.
Denise M.
 

coachklm

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Originally Posted by Jeff S.
Comparing a fish in a small tank and a human in a closet ? You have issues. I am expecting another kid, which means our 3 bedroom 2500 sq foot home will now have three kids. Which means I will have to pair up 2 of the kids. Should I have thought about this before I spent $350,000 two years ago to live on a golf course,or should I kill a kid off ?

do you lock them in their room for years on end? or will you let them go outside to play?
same concept total room available

i am also the father of 5--- 4girls and 1 boy one being a newborn girl

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every kid needs space whether it be in thier room or outside... pairing kids depends on temperment also..i had my 2 oldest girls sharing a room....also my son with the newborn....and myy middle daughter had her own room.......turns out i had to sheetrock my basement and create rooms for all having their own room....they do get stressed out in shared rooms.
 

ophiura

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wait...you're supposed to let kids go outside???
I mean, they seem happy enough just staying inside all the time.
uhhhhh.
I'll be back........
 

coachklm

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Originally Posted by ophiura
wait...you're supposed to let kids go outside???
I mean, they seem happy enough just staying inside all the time.
uhhhhh.
I'll be back........

i'm hoping you didnt loose that key ...
 

danedodger

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:hilarious Oh Ophiura!! :hilarious Just do what I do when the kids are getting on each other's nerves, ductape them to the ceiling fan and turn it on! They quit fighting among themselves lickity split!!
Seriously though, a point I haven't seen mentioned in comparing kids without enough room as they grow and fish is that stress won't KILL children. I've seen many true stories of children that were horribly abused and even confined to things like closets!! I can't say they thrived but they survived it. On the other hand, stress certainly can kill fish.
 

1journeyman

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Originally Posted by Jeff S.
Comparing a fish in a small tank and a human in a closet ? You have issues. I am expecting another kid, which means our 3 bedroom 2500 sq foot home will now have three kids. Which means I will have to pair up 2 of the kids. Should I have thought about this before I spent $350,000 two years ago to live on a golf course,or should I kill a kid off ?
You honestly feel any animal that is taken from its natural habitat and placed anywhere in captivity is thriving ?
I am sorry but it's not the case. Only way any fish will thrive, is if you have an ocean in your backyard. You can have a 2500 gallon tank with one yellow tang in it, and it is still not enough room. So get off your high horse and go release everyone of your fish if you feel that keeping a fish in a tank is same as keeping a human in a closet.
Pretty shallow minded Denise.
Yes, Yes, and False...
Yes... families should purchase a house based on the needs of their planned family or plan to upgrade...
Yes, animals can thrive in captivity... as seen by reproduction habits, overall health and life cycle. (Let's be honest... all domesticated animals were taken from the wild... ever had a pet dog or cat?)
False... animals can be happy in tanks, I've read this uneducated argument a trillion times... on the reef many fish spend their entire lives in the same area. Studying and replicating the needs in the home aquarium can be done.
Fish establish "home ranges" and aquariums can replicate that.
 

ophiura

Active Member
Originally Posted by DaneDodger
:Seriously though, a point I haven't seen mentioned in comparing kids without enough room as they grow and fish is that stress won't KILL children. I've seen many true stories of children that were horribly abused and even confined to things like closets!! I can't say they thrived but they survived it. On the other hand, stress certainly can kill fish.

They survived it, but often with long term emotional disabilities or physical scarring. And the point here is that several diseases, such as HLLE or the frequent battles with ick in tangs, are indications of stress. It is a different manifestation in the fish.
BTW, I learned that I actually do not have any kids. But seeing as I don't recall ever letting them out anywhere, I just had to check to be sure.
We will certainly be upgrading our 1600sqft "tank" as time goes on. We have the luxury of determining that, and it is something that we should aspire to with the animals we keep as well.
 

merredeth

Active Member
Originally Posted by ophiura
wait...you're supposed to let kids go outside???
I mean, they seem happy enough just staying inside all the time.
uhhhhh.
I'll be back........
hahahhaa!

Letting out of the closet and eyesight every now and then can be good for the kids... not to mention your own sanity.

The four older kids are grown and have kids of their own now. The fifth one is 14 and we let her play outside on occassions. My niece who is 16 also lives with me, and due to puberty issues with both - they can't date until they are each 35 years old.

Denise M.
 

coachklm

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well i experience the stress relayed in children everyday as mine are 9,8,6,5 and almost 1 years of age..
if i could afford a bigger house for the kids i would but then i could also afford a bigger tank for the fish i would then keep..
 

jeff s.

Member
Sorry if I came off harsh, but was trying to make a point. I think if you want a yellow tang, and have the right filtration and set up you can get away with it. I dont see how a 55 gallon tank at 48x12x15 is going to be that much more different then a 90 gallon tank that is 3 inches deeper. You can get away with it a 4 foot 90 gal but not a 55 ?
I guess I didnt read the part where he had 20 other fish in the tank either, to see where it may be over stocked. Some places state that 50 gallon is all you need (*Link Removed*) and as others have stated, they have them in a 48 and such and never had an issue.
My point about nothing being large enough and somone tried to tell me I was wrong, you honestly think that a yellow or any fish for that matter only swims in one specific 80-100 gallon area of the ocean ? If he swims for a mile, its because that is what they want and need to do, then you would need a tank a mile long. Obviously if that was really how things were to be, this hobby wouldn't exist.
As far as the not being to aware of sharing a room is like. I shared a room, bunk beds with my brother from time I was old enough to be in a bed till he was 15 and he got of the room. Was never a problem, I know many who have kids who share a room, as someone pointed out here, it is possible. As for my kids, my two are 9 and half months apart, yes 9 and half months. Top that one, both born in same year. They are 4 and 3 now. They will have a sibling in 8 months or so, and they will have to figure out who wants a room-mate.
Again, I appoligize if I came off sounding rude, but was trying to point out if you feel that a certian fish cant be kept in a certian size tank, especially when the fish is far from full grown, then no tank is big enough for any fish.
Jeff
 

coachklm

Active Member
Originally Posted by Jeff S.
. As for my kids, my two are 9 and half months apart, yes 9 and half months. Top that one, both born in same year. They are 4 and 3 now. They will have a sibling in 8 months or so, and they will have to figure out who wants a room-mate.
ok....try 2 sets 10m and 11m apart
2 oldest girls 10m2d
middle daughter and son 11m 12d apart
--you asked i just answered.... im glad you never found it a problem to share a room with your brother but i would think thats a rare case. but you cannot tell us that you would not have been happier in a larger room w/him or alone in that one. At that age.
 

merredeth

Active Member
Originally Posted by Jeff S.
Sorry if I came off harsh, but was trying to make a point...
Harsh is being kind to yourself.
Originally Posted by JeffS.
I guess I didnt read the part where he had 20 other fish in the tank either, to see where it may be over stocked.
I would suggest you read the post before slamming a person and claiming they have issues. Also, if you read my notes prior I did specifically ask what the tank in a note posted at 8:02 AM.
Originally Posted by JeffS.
My point about nothing being large enough and somone tried to tell me I was wrong, you honestly think that a yellow or any fish for that matter only swims in one specific 80-100 gallon area of the ocean ?
Yres, fish do travel but in a confined space like a tank, you need to give them as much room as possible. Again, this goes back to the word "thrive - as in flourish.
Originally Posted by JeffS.

As far as the not being to aware of sharing a room is like. I shared a room, bunk beds with my brother from time I was old enough to be in a bed till he was 15 and he got of the room. Was never a problem, I know many who have kids who share a room, as someone pointed out here, it is possible. As for my kids, my two are 9 and half months apart, yes 9 and half months. Top that one, both born in same year. They are 4 and 3 now. They will have a sibling in 8 months or so, and they will have to figure out who wants a room-mate.
Five kids, a niece to boot. Kids are also close in age so I've walked the mile and managed to raise them. When you have raised a few and got them to be productive kids who contribute to society good stuff and have gone through all the drama we will talk further. Until then, anything I tell you about kids sharing rooms (I'm from a family of four girls and also shared a bedroom) is just going to fall on blind eyes.
Originally Posted by JeffS.

Again, I appoligize if I came off sounding rude, but was trying to point out if you feel that a certian fish cant be kept in a certian size tank, especially when the fish is far from full grown, then no tank is big enough for any fish.
Yes, you came off rude. But all is over with and forgiven. It is time to move on with this subject matter. I gave an illustration to you, and I believe others have as well that perhaps makes better sense to you.
Denise M.
 

susieq

Member
Originally Posted by Jon321
Well if you like the color, there are MANY other choices: foxface, yellow damsel, yellow watchman goby, yellow clown goby, canary blenny, some butterflies, dwarf moray, diadema pseudochromis, banana wrasse, yellow wrasse, the dwarf angels, and more which would be suitable for the 55-75g range. So there must be more than merely the color of the fish that makes yellow tangs so tempting.
Just a thought, but I agree, dwarf angels, of all types, are beautiful with a capital B.

Jon
This is interesting. Can you name the butterflies that are OK in a 55? I thought they were a no-no. They are definitely cool looking. I just thought I couldn't have them.
(Sorry to redirect the thread)
 
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