Originally Posted by
AquaKnight
http:///forum/post/3190020
Yea, waiting is one of the things. Plus some styles can be a pain in the neck too. I think it might be just some bad experiences. We've tried some mimic brews. A general Abt12 like a St. Bernardus, and a mimic Rochefort 10. The problem with Quads, and to a lesser degree Tripel's, is the yeast. The beers derive a lot of their flavor from the yeast. Most of the trappists have been using the same yeast since the 1700's. I think if maybe we'd have just gone into it thinking it's our own Quad, it would have been different.
If you're up for it, here's the receipt for the Abt12 we used.
Ingredients
* 20 oz. Belgian Cara-Munich Malt
* 8 oz. Belgian Aromatic Malt
* 8 oz. Belgian Biscuit Malt
* 6 oz. Belgian Special B Malt
* 4 oz. British Chocolate Malt
* 3 lbs. Belgian Pale
* 12 lbs. Pale Liquid Malt
* 2 lbs. Belgian Amber Candi Sugar
* 6 oz. Malto Dextrin
* 1 1/4 oz. Styrian Goldings (bittering hop)
* 1/4 oz. Hersbrucker (flavor hop)
* 1/4 oz. Styrian Goldings (flavor hop)
* 1 tsp. Irish Moss
* 1/4 oz. Hersbrucker (aroma hop)
* 1/4 oz. Styrian Goldings (aroma hop)
* 1 pkg. Wyeast 3787 Trappist High Gravity
Procedure
* This requires a partial mash. Steep grains for 45 min at 150F then sparge out at 175F, bring back up to 180 and add extracts and candi sugar. Once at boil add the 1.25 oz Styrian Goldings, after 45 min add Flavor Hops. Finish off with aroma hops after 55 min.
Ferment
* This yeast can handle a huge temp range like many of the Belgian yeasts. It will be fine up to about 80F and good down to about 65F so it is very flexible.
That is almost the exact recipe I used last weekend, except I used all grain with no extract and I used a wild growing feral hop along with the Styrian hops. It smelled awesome during the mash and boil so I have a feeling it is going to be really good. I agree 100% about the yeast, nothing would be cooler than to be able to buy the yeast they actually use and no doubt it does make a difference. One mistake some of the local microbreweries around here make is not having a diversity of different yeasts and while good, would be better if they did not use the same yeast cake to make 5 or 6 different beers. I am going to repitch the yeast on that trappist ale and instead of the rock candi, use some super dark and rich honey and substitute another hop and chocolate malt.
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