xxblink269xx
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how are they done and are they effective because my clown has ick bad and i dont want him to die from it b4 treatment
fresh water dips
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sepulatian
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Match the PH and temperature of the fresh water to that of which he is already in. Place the fish into the bucket for three to five minutes. It is important that you watch him the entire time. It is normal for a fish to appear dazed, gill rapidly, or to go over onto it's side. The fish should right himself within a minute. If the fish appears overly stressed at all then pull him out right away.
waterworld
Member
I had decided to try a freshwater dip on a Sohal Tang I had recently bought before putting it into a QT. I matched PH and Temp and placed it into the water and he literally FREAKED. It jumped out of the water twice and each time fell back into the water and then floated to the top curled onto its side and stayed there motionless. I was not sure what was going on so I pulled it out and put it into the QT. Elapsed time in dip....less than 30 seconds!
Was the reaction I saw what would be expected and should I have really have hung on for another 2-3 minutes? I got the impression this fish was on it's death bed.
Thanks
WW
Was the reaction I saw what would be expected and should I have really have hung on for another 2-3 minutes? I got the impression this fish was on it's death bed.
Thanks
WW
sepulatian
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Originally Posted by Waterworld
http:///forum/post/2860328
I had decided to try a freshwater dip on a Sohal Tang I had recently bought before putting it into a QT. I matched PH and Temp and placed it into the water and he literally FREAKED. It jumped out of the water twice and each time fell back into the water and then floated to the top curled onto its side and stayed there motionless. I was not sure what was going on so I pulled it out and put it into the QT. Elapsed time in dip....less than 30 seconds!
Was the reaction I saw what would be expected and should I have really have hung on for another 2-3 minutes? I got the impression this fish was on it's death bed.
Thanks
WW
No, that reaction is not normal. It is good that you pulled him out.
http:///forum/post/2860328
I had decided to try a freshwater dip on a Sohal Tang I had recently bought before putting it into a QT. I matched PH and Temp and placed it into the water and he literally FREAKED. It jumped out of the water twice and each time fell back into the water and then floated to the top curled onto its side and stayed there motionless. I was not sure what was going on so I pulled it out and put it into the QT. Elapsed time in dip....less than 30 seconds!
Was the reaction I saw what would be expected and should I have really have hung on for another 2-3 minutes? I got the impression this fish was on it's death bed.
Thanks
WW
No, that reaction is not normal. It is good that you pulled him out.
rotarymagic
Active Member
it may have been the fact that it was a bucket lol...
sepulatian
Moderator
Originally Posted by Rotarymagic
http:///forum/post/2860368
it may have been the fact that it was a bucket lol...
No, that is where you do it. It is a three to five minute dip.
http:///forum/post/2860368
it may have been the fact that it was a bucket lol...
No, that is where you do it. It is a three to five minute dip.
florida joe
Well-Known Member
Originally Posted by sepulatian
http:///forum/post/2860444
No, that is where you do it. It is a three to five minute dip.
Sir Q are there any circumstances where you would allow it dipped for more then five minutes
http:///forum/post/2860444
No, that is where you do it. It is a three to five minute dip.
Sir Q are there any circumstances where you would allow it dipped for more then five minutes
lkgrenegade22
Member
I dipped my Tang for 4 minutes in a 1 gallon bucket the other day. She actually didn't freak out. Just swam around and at the 4 minute mark she flopped on her side so I pulled her out. I'm not sure how effective it was though. I do think it helped because the only reason I did it was I was sure she was on deaths door and that was 2 days ago and she is still alive. Still looks pretty rough though.
al mc
Active Member
Originally Posted by florida joe
http:///forum/post/2861715
Sir Q are there any circumstances where you would allow it dipped for more then five minutes
Where are you going with this Joe? Have you dipped longer than that or have any info you can share? I would be interested in your point of view.
Thanks
http:///forum/post/2861715
Sir Q are there any circumstances where you would allow it dipped for more then five minutes
Where are you going with this Joe? Have you dipped longer than that or have any info you can share? I would be interested in your point of view.
Thanks
florida joe
Well-Known Member
Originally Posted by Al Mc
http:///forum/post/2861764
Where are you going with this Joe? Have you dipped longer than that or have any info you can share? I would be interested in your point of view.
Thanks
Al my old friend
QUID PRO QUO
http:///forum/post/2861764
Where are you going with this Joe? Have you dipped longer than that or have any info you can share? I would be interested in your point of view.
Thanks
Al my old friend
QUID PRO QUO
al mc
Active Member
Actually, I am not a big believer in fresh water dips. When I first started in the hobby and had my experience (don't we all) with Ich I tried it and did not see any improvement in survival rate. Personally, I do not think it helped the fish that much..just made me feel better that I was trying something.
florida joe
Well-Known Member
Originally Posted by Al Mc
http:///forum/post/2861812
Actually, I am not a big believer in fresh water dips. When I first started in the hobby and had my experience (don't we all) with Ich I tried it and did not see any improvement in survival rate. Personally, I do not think it helped the fish that much..just made me feel better that I was trying something.
Al just what i have culled over the years
Freshwater dips are a highly effective form of treatment against a wide variety of parasites, although their use against Cryptocaryon irritants has been questioned (Colorni, 1985). They have been proven effective against Amyloodinium, Turbellarian Worms (the so-called Black Ich), some Flukes (Noga, 2000), and Uronema (Kollman, 2003).
To prepare a proper freshwater dip, take either dechlorinated tap water or demineralized water (RO or DI), aerate for an hour to maximize dissolved oxygen, heat to match the temperature of the dip water to that of the tank water, and then add buffering compounds to match the freshwater pH to your saltwater pH. The aeration should continue throughout the dip. It is crucial to match temperature and pH and to maximize dissolved oxygen. Most people that experience problems with freshwater dipping have made an error in these critical parameters.
The recommended duration of the dip varies from author to author because different species of marine fish tolerate freshwater to different degrees. Generally speaking, any dip less than two minutes is useless. Many fish will easily tolerate five, ten, even fifteen minutes or more. The least tolerant fish are wrasses, lionfish, pufferfish, drumfish, hi-hats, jackknives, firefish and many of the scaleless fish as a rule (Calfo, pers. comm.).
The best advice I can give you is to observe your fish closely. Some fish will swim around like nothing is happening. Others will go straight to the bottom and lie there. Definitive signs of trouble are manifested by the fish jumping out of the dip bucket and spitting water.
There are several fish that give off toxins with their protective slime coat. Mandarins, boxfish, and the Six-line Grouper are a few. When in freshwater, they will naturally excrete more protective slime. There is a possibility that in the confines of a dip bucket, these fish could poison themselves or others, so be careful.
http:///forum/post/2861812
Actually, I am not a big believer in fresh water dips. When I first started in the hobby and had my experience (don't we all) with Ich I tried it and did not see any improvement in survival rate. Personally, I do not think it helped the fish that much..just made me feel better that I was trying something.
Al just what i have culled over the years
Freshwater dips are a highly effective form of treatment against a wide variety of parasites, although their use against Cryptocaryon irritants has been questioned (Colorni, 1985). They have been proven effective against Amyloodinium, Turbellarian Worms (the so-called Black Ich), some Flukes (Noga, 2000), and Uronema (Kollman, 2003).
To prepare a proper freshwater dip, take either dechlorinated tap water or demineralized water (RO or DI), aerate for an hour to maximize dissolved oxygen, heat to match the temperature of the dip water to that of the tank water, and then add buffering compounds to match the freshwater pH to your saltwater pH. The aeration should continue throughout the dip. It is crucial to match temperature and pH and to maximize dissolved oxygen. Most people that experience problems with freshwater dipping have made an error in these critical parameters.
The recommended duration of the dip varies from author to author because different species of marine fish tolerate freshwater to different degrees. Generally speaking, any dip less than two minutes is useless. Many fish will easily tolerate five, ten, even fifteen minutes or more. The least tolerant fish are wrasses, lionfish, pufferfish, drumfish, hi-hats, jackknives, firefish and many of the scaleless fish as a rule (Calfo, pers. comm.).
The best advice I can give you is to observe your fish closely. Some fish will swim around like nothing is happening. Others will go straight to the bottom and lie there. Definitive signs of trouble are manifested by the fish jumping out of the dip bucket and spitting water.
There are several fish that give off toxins with their protective slime coat. Mandarins, boxfish, and the Six-line Grouper are a few. When in freshwater, they will naturally excrete more protective slime. There is a possibility that in the confines of a dip bucket, these fish could poison themselves or others, so be careful.
sepulatian
Moderator
Originally Posted by florida joe
http:///forum/post/2861715
Sir Q are there any circumstances where you would allow it dipped for more then five minutes
Only if you know what you are doing. FW dips are not advised to last longer than five minutes. You can do certain baths for several hours. Methylene Blue is good for a bath. In that case you would use the water that the fish is accustomed to (pull some of the water that the fish is already in), add the methylene and a small power head, and allow him to relax in the water. It is soothing to the fish, de-stresses him, and helps detach parasites. A FW dip certainly does have it's place but I prefer methylene myself.
http:///forum/post/2861715
Sir Q are there any circumstances where you would allow it dipped for more then five minutes
Only if you know what you are doing. FW dips are not advised to last longer than five minutes. You can do certain baths for several hours. Methylene Blue is good for a bath. In that case you would use the water that the fish is accustomed to (pull some of the water that the fish is already in), add the methylene and a small power head, and allow him to relax in the water. It is soothing to the fish, de-stresses him, and helps detach parasites. A FW dip certainly does have it's place but I prefer methylene myself.
sepulatian
Moderator
Originally Posted by jshepherd
http:///forum/post/2862755
By adjusting the Ph is that done with the same kent superbuffer dkh. mine stays at 8.1-8.2
Use a PH buffer to adjust the fresh water.
http:///forum/post/2862755
By adjusting the Ph is that done with the same kent superbuffer dkh. mine stays at 8.1-8.2
Use a PH buffer to adjust the fresh water.
sepulatian
Moderator
That is the usual reaction, which is why you have to stay with the fish. Please understand that not every parasite on the fish may have died. Keep a close watch. The tank that he was in still has ich in it.
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marineang
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This thread is a disheartening one for me to read. I had a Powder brown that I loved dearly along with a blue hippo a while back. Out came the itch breakout and I seperately gave them each a fw dip. The hippo went to the bottom and layed there - but that was normal for him. Put him back in the tank ahe was was fine. Powder brown swam normally in the dip. When I put him back in the tank, he was there for a total of a minute when he had what looked like a seizure and then plummeted to the bottom and died right then and there. Geesh, still makes me sad to think about. From what you guys wrote, I did everything according to spec but I lost him
kube
Member
I did a search for freshwater dips, i had a question related to the discussion going on here, so to the question
I was thinking about doing a freshwater dip as a preventative measure when adding a new fish to the tank (not to treat an outbreak of anything), i know that quarantine is the only true way to go, but is a feshwater dip effective to reduce the chance of parasite entering our tanks? Of course doing it the proper way by matching temp, and ph, with aerated RO|DI water.
Whats everyones thoughs?
I was thinking about doing a freshwater dip as a preventative measure when adding a new fish to the tank (not to treat an outbreak of anything), i know that quarantine is the only true way to go, but is a feshwater dip effective to reduce the chance of parasite entering our tanks? Of course doing it the proper way by matching temp, and ph, with aerated RO|DI water.
Whats everyones thoughs?