florida joe
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Did you use ro water for the dip if not are you sure it was it dechorlinated first.
Freshwater dip gone badd???
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srfisher17
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Originally Posted by florida joe http:///forum/thread/383341/freshwater-dip-gone-badd/20#post_3352403
Did you use ro water for the dip if not are you sure it was it dechorlinated first.
Good call, Joe. (and good to hear from you) The loss of the tang (although inevitable, IMO) sounds like classic chlorine poisoning.
Originally Posted by florida joe http:///forum/thread/383341/freshwater-dip-gone-badd/20#post_3352403
Did you use ro water for the dip if not are you sure it was it dechorlinated first.
Good call, Joe. (and good to hear from you) The loss of the tang (although inevitable, IMO) sounds like classic chlorine poisoning.
55newb
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Originally Posted by srfisher17 http:///forum/thread/383341/freshwater-dip-gone-badd#post_3352396
If you sell them; you are selling fish that are almost certainly carrying ich. This is a deadly parasite that will wipe out a tank if not treated. You're looking at a real problem, but please don't sell the problem to someone else. I'm afraid you could end up losing all your fish if you don't treat the ich ASAP. IMO & IME: only copper or hypo work. Don't let the lfs sell you anything else. (If you have to start over, please really read up on the hobby and ask lots of questions. It would be a shame to give up on a lifetime of enjoyment because of a bad start. You sure aren't the only one who has started this way. Knowledge & patience are the keys...and no lfs sells either. Just a rough estimate regarding patience; If you start a totally new tank today, 2 months from no you should have no more than one fish.
I will not sell them. I will look into cleaning the tank somehow cleaning it
UPDATE: went back to the lfs where i bought the fish and explained the situation.. guy was a total jerk.. i was explaining how i did some research on everything after the tang died and he kept making smart remarks to me. He gave me store credit for the bulbs and as he wrote the credit out he said maybe i should buy a book with it (in a smart a$$ way) so i grabbed some stuff for my brother and left but not with out giving him a piece of my mind... So i went to my friends friends pet store. These guys know their stuff. So I asked them to test my water. these were the results (note i just fed my fish about an hour before)
Ph - 8.2
Ammonia .50ppm
Nitrate - Almost 0ppm
Nitrite - Almost 0ppm
Salinity - About 30
Specific Gravity - About 1.022
As far as i can tell it looks pretty good. Salinity and specific gravity are a little high but i have to add some water so it will go down
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Originally Posted by Flower http:///forum/thread/383341/freshwater-dip-gone-badd#post_3352399
A refugium is a safe place for tiny critters to breed and not be eaten by the fish. It feeds into the main tank and copepods and such swim between the two. Often it also has a deep sand bed and macroalgae to help reduce nitrates.
A QT (Quarantine Tank) is just that. It is alone nothing feeds into it or out of it. The fish are separated from the main tank and in quarantine until you are sure of their health.
A HT (hospital Tank) is place to treat sick fish with medicines and allow picked on fish to recuperate.
^^ Thank you
Quote:
Originally Posted by florida joe http:///forum/thread/383341/freshwater-dip-gone-badd/20#post_3352403
Did you use ro water for the dip if not are you sure it was it dechorlinated first.
I used tap water but boiled it. Maybe not good enough?
Originally Posted by srfisher17 http:///forum/thread/383341/freshwater-dip-gone-badd#post_3352396
If you sell them; you are selling fish that are almost certainly carrying ich. This is a deadly parasite that will wipe out a tank if not treated. You're looking at a real problem, but please don't sell the problem to someone else. I'm afraid you could end up losing all your fish if you don't treat the ich ASAP. IMO & IME: only copper or hypo work. Don't let the lfs sell you anything else. (If you have to start over, please really read up on the hobby and ask lots of questions. It would be a shame to give up on a lifetime of enjoyment because of a bad start. You sure aren't the only one who has started this way. Knowledge & patience are the keys...and no lfs sells either. Just a rough estimate regarding patience; If you start a totally new tank today, 2 months from no you should have no more than one fish.
I will not sell them. I will look into cleaning the tank somehow cleaning it
UPDATE: went back to the lfs where i bought the fish and explained the situation.. guy was a total jerk.. i was explaining how i did some research on everything after the tang died and he kept making smart remarks to me. He gave me store credit for the bulbs and as he wrote the credit out he said maybe i should buy a book with it (in a smart a$$ way) so i grabbed some stuff for my brother and left but not with out giving him a piece of my mind... So i went to my friends friends pet store. These guys know their stuff. So I asked them to test my water. these were the results (note i just fed my fish about an hour before)
Ph - 8.2
Ammonia .50ppm
Nitrate - Almost 0ppm
Nitrite - Almost 0ppm
Salinity - About 30
Specific Gravity - About 1.022
As far as i can tell it looks pretty good. Salinity and specific gravity are a little high but i have to add some water so it will go down
Quote:
Originally Posted by Flower http:///forum/thread/383341/freshwater-dip-gone-badd#post_3352399
A refugium is a safe place for tiny critters to breed and not be eaten by the fish. It feeds into the main tank and copepods and such swim between the two. Often it also has a deep sand bed and macroalgae to help reduce nitrates.
A QT (Quarantine Tank) is just that. It is alone nothing feeds into it or out of it. The fish are separated from the main tank and in quarantine until you are sure of their health.
A HT (hospital Tank) is place to treat sick fish with medicines and allow picked on fish to recuperate.
^^ Thank you
Quote:
Originally Posted by florida joe http:///forum/thread/383341/freshwater-dip-gone-badd/20#post_3352403
Did you use ro water for the dip if not are you sure it was it dechorlinated first.
I used tap water but boiled it. Maybe not good enough?
55newb
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Originally Posted by Gemmy http:///forum/thread/383341/freshwater-dip-gone-badd/20#post_3352547
Ammonia is very toxic to the fish.
Yea i have read that. it is best to try to keep everything at 0. The guy at the lfs said it might be from feeding them right before i checked the water. i will recheck it tomorrow night before i feed them
Originally Posted by Gemmy http:///forum/thread/383341/freshwater-dip-gone-badd/20#post_3352547
Ammonia is very toxic to the fish.
Yea i have read that. it is best to try to keep everything at 0. The guy at the lfs said it might be from feeding them right before i checked the water. i will recheck it tomorrow night before i feed them
J
jstdv8
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its actually because your tank is just starting its first cycle. this is normal. unfortunaley the ccle will likley kill those fish that are left if they stay in there.
The cycle is a good thing, it needs to be done.
Sounds like the new LFS is a little better, hopefully they can help you out.
The cycle is a good thing, it needs to be done.
Sounds like the new LFS is a little better, hopefully they can help you out.
55newb
New Member
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jstdv8 http:///forum/thread/383341/freshwater-dip-gone-badd/20#post_3352569
its actually because your tank is just starting its first cycle. this is normal. unfortunaley the ccle will likley kill those fish that are left if they stay in there.
The cycle is a good thing, it needs to be done.
Sounds like the new LFS is a little better, hopefully they can help you out.
they are 100000000 times better. I know one of the owners and just met his brother aka the other owner. They walked me through most of it and he said suprisingly the tank looks like it is close to the end of the cycle. They said the lionfish and wrasse will most likely make it through of the ich doesnt get them. The damsels have a little chance of making it. Im keeping my fingers crossed. If one more fish gets the ich i might have to do something about the tank.
Originally Posted by Jstdv8 http:///forum/thread/383341/freshwater-dip-gone-badd/20#post_3352569
its actually because your tank is just starting its first cycle. this is normal. unfortunaley the ccle will likley kill those fish that are left if they stay in there.
The cycle is a good thing, it needs to be done.
Sounds like the new LFS is a little better, hopefully they can help you out.
they are 100000000 times better. I know one of the owners and just met his brother aka the other owner. They walked me through most of it and he said suprisingly the tank looks like it is close to the end of the cycle. They said the lionfish and wrasse will most likely make it through of the ich doesnt get them. The damsels have a little chance of making it. Im keeping my fingers crossed. If one more fish gets the ich i might have to do something about the tank.
J
jstdv8
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2 things here.
1.) If you are showing ammonia but no nitrates or nitrites then you are either at the very beggining of the cycle or something else just very recently started making ammonia in your tank.
Either way at .5 ammonia you are going to go through a cycle and either way its jsut starting. next you will see the ammonia go down and the nitrities go up and then lastly the nitrites will go down and the nitrates will go up.
when your ammonia and nitirites are at 0 and your nitrates ar somewhere around 40 then you do a 10-20% water change and start adding a clean up crew, if the CUC does of for a week then you can think about adding a fish (1 fish).
unfortunatley, it sounds like the new LFS isn't telling the truth either. Sureley they must know as a fish store what a cycle is and how it works and yu are clearly at the very beggining of one.
I know this isn't the news you wanted to hear.
2.) if one fish in your tank has ich, they all have ich to some extent at this point. If a fish is healthy and not stressed it can fight off the external ich that you see but if there is ich in the tank it can still get in thier gills which are basically unprotected by the fishes defense which is a slimecoat on the body.
The little white spots you see are actually the scars from where the ich burrowed intot he fishes flesh, the ich is in there and very safe from any treatments at that point.
After it's fed on the fish for a time it will drop out of the fish and attach itself in a cyst form to something hard in your tank. (Live rock, sand, glass, powerheads, a snails shell, a corals skeleton, anything hard) and it will sit there like that for up to 28 days basically making babies inside this little hard ball. after it finisher making babies it ruptures and these free swimming babies go looking for a fish to feed on. they have about 18 hours to find a fish or they die. Now naturally in a small area like a fish tank they don't have to look very hard to find a fish since the fish have nowhere to really go.
1.) If you are showing ammonia but no nitrates or nitrites then you are either at the very beggining of the cycle or something else just very recently started making ammonia in your tank.
Either way at .5 ammonia you are going to go through a cycle and either way its jsut starting. next you will see the ammonia go down and the nitrities go up and then lastly the nitrites will go down and the nitrates will go up.
when your ammonia and nitirites are at 0 and your nitrates ar somewhere around 40 then you do a 10-20% water change and start adding a clean up crew, if the CUC does of for a week then you can think about adding a fish (1 fish).
unfortunatley, it sounds like the new LFS isn't telling the truth either. Sureley they must know as a fish store what a cycle is and how it works and yu are clearly at the very beggining of one.
I know this isn't the news you wanted to hear.
2.) if one fish in your tank has ich, they all have ich to some extent at this point. If a fish is healthy and not stressed it can fight off the external ich that you see but if there is ich in the tank it can still get in thier gills which are basically unprotected by the fishes defense which is a slimecoat on the body.
The little white spots you see are actually the scars from where the ich burrowed intot he fishes flesh, the ich is in there and very safe from any treatments at that point.
After it's fed on the fish for a time it will drop out of the fish and attach itself in a cyst form to something hard in your tank. (Live rock, sand, glass, powerheads, a snails shell, a corals skeleton, anything hard) and it will sit there like that for up to 28 days basically making babies inside this little hard ball. after it finisher making babies it ruptures and these free swimming babies go looking for a fish to feed on. they have about 18 hours to find a fish or they die. Now naturally in a small area like a fish tank they don't have to look very hard to find a fish since the fish have nowhere to really go.
florida joe
Well-Known Member
Does your water system use chloramine
55newb
New Member
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Originally Posted by Jstdv8 http:///forum/thread/383341/freshwater-dip-gone-badd/20#post_3352636
2 things here.
1.) If you are showing ammonia but no nitrates or nitrites then you are either at the very beggining of the cycle or something else just very recently started making ammonia in your tank.
Either way at .5 ammonia you are going to go through a cycle and either way its jsut starting. next you will see the ammonia go down and the nitrities go up and then lastly the nitrites will go down and the nitrates will go up.
when your ammonia and nitirites are at 0 and your nitrates ar somewhere around 40 then you do a 10-20% water change and start adding a clean up crew, if the CUC does of for a week then you can think about adding a fish (1 fish).
unfortunatley, it sounds like the new LFS isn't telling the truth either. Sureley they must know as a fish store what a cycle is and how it works and yu are clearly at the very beggining of one.
I know this isn't the news you wanted to hear.
2.) if one fish in your tank has ich, they all have ich to some extent at this point. If a fish is healthy and not stressed it can fight off the external ich that you see but if there is ich in the tank it can still get in thier gills which are basically unprotected by the fishes defense which is a slimecoat on the body.
The little white spots you see are actually the scars from where the ich burrowed intot he fishes flesh, the ich is in there and very safe from any treatments at that point.
After it's fed on the fish for a time it will drop out of the fish and attach itself in a cyst form to something hard in your tank. (Live rock, sand, glass, powerheads, a snails shell, a corals skeleton, anything hard) and it will sit there like that for up to 28 days basically making babies inside this little hard ball. after it finisher making babies it ruptures and these free swimming babies go looking for a fish to feed on. they have about 18 hours to find a fish or they die. Now naturally in a small area like a fish tank they don't have to look very hard to find a fish since the fish have nowhere to really go.
So this morning i rechecked the levels and i made a mistake. the nitrate is about 5-10 everything else is pretty much right on. Heres a pic of the levels. Ph looks a little high in the pic but its right on.
Quote:
Originally Posted by florida joe http:///forum/thread/383341/freshwater-dip-gone-badd/20#post_3352754
Does your water system use chloramine
Im not sure ill have to look into it. I have a cascade 1200 with what ever it come with
Originally Posted by Jstdv8 http:///forum/thread/383341/freshwater-dip-gone-badd/20#post_3352636
2 things here.
1.) If you are showing ammonia but no nitrates or nitrites then you are either at the very beggining of the cycle or something else just very recently started making ammonia in your tank.
Either way at .5 ammonia you are going to go through a cycle and either way its jsut starting. next you will see the ammonia go down and the nitrities go up and then lastly the nitrites will go down and the nitrates will go up.
when your ammonia and nitirites are at 0 and your nitrates ar somewhere around 40 then you do a 10-20% water change and start adding a clean up crew, if the CUC does of for a week then you can think about adding a fish (1 fish).
unfortunatley, it sounds like the new LFS isn't telling the truth either. Sureley they must know as a fish store what a cycle is and how it works and yu are clearly at the very beggining of one.
I know this isn't the news you wanted to hear.
2.) if one fish in your tank has ich, they all have ich to some extent at this point. If a fish is healthy and not stressed it can fight off the external ich that you see but if there is ich in the tank it can still get in thier gills which are basically unprotected by the fishes defense which is a slimecoat on the body.
The little white spots you see are actually the scars from where the ich burrowed intot he fishes flesh, the ich is in there and very safe from any treatments at that point.
After it's fed on the fish for a time it will drop out of the fish and attach itself in a cyst form to something hard in your tank. (Live rock, sand, glass, powerheads, a snails shell, a corals skeleton, anything hard) and it will sit there like that for up to 28 days basically making babies inside this little hard ball. after it finisher making babies it ruptures and these free swimming babies go looking for a fish to feed on. they have about 18 hours to find a fish or they die. Now naturally in a small area like a fish tank they don't have to look very hard to find a fish since the fish have nowhere to really go.
So this morning i rechecked the levels and i made a mistake. the nitrate is about 5-10 everything else is pretty much right on. Heres a pic of the levels. Ph looks a little high in the pic but its right on.
Quote:
Originally Posted by florida joe http:///forum/thread/383341/freshwater-dip-gone-badd/20#post_3352754
Does your water system use chloramine
Im not sure ill have to look into it. I have a cascade 1200 with what ever it come with
florida joe
Well-Known Member
i mean is your tap water is it treated with chloramine
55newb
New Member
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Originally Posted by florida joe http:///forum/thread/383341/freshwater-dip-gone-badd/20#post_3352801
i mean is your tap water is it treated with chloramine
Im not sure to be totaly honest
Originally Posted by florida joe http:///forum/thread/383341/freshwater-dip-gone-badd/20#post_3352801
i mean is your tap water is it treated with chloramine
Im not sure to be totaly honest
florida joe
Well-Known Member
Check with your water supplier. If they are using the newer chloramine method of treating tap water. Boiling will not remove it. That may have been the problem with the dip
55newb
New Member
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Originally Posted by florida joe http:///forum/thread/383341/freshwater-dip-gone-badd/20#post_3352812
Check with your water supplier. If they are using the newer chloramine method of treating tap water. Boiling will not remove it. That may have been the problem with the dip
how would you remove it if they use chloramine?
Originally Posted by florida joe http:///forum/thread/383341/freshwater-dip-gone-badd/20#post_3352812
Check with your water supplier. If they are using the newer chloramine method of treating tap water. Boiling will not remove it. That may have been the problem with the dip
how would you remove it if they use chloramine?
florida joe
Well-Known Member
You can buy water additives at all pet stores that will remove it