Frogspawns??? Need some help please.

[bluekoran]

I was wondering what the requirements for frogspawns are. I have about 3 watts per gallon, it's a 15 gal high with a dwarf lion blue koran angle, clarikki clown and tomato clown.
The only inverts I have are a nice long tentacle anenome and a pink haitian tip. Any info helps thank you.

 

[saltn00b]

umm you have dwarf lion, blue koran angel and 2 different species of clowns all in a 15g tank???????????????????

 

[oceana]

Originally Posted by Bluekoran
I was wondering what the requirements for frogspawns are. I have about 3 watts per gallon, it's a 15 gal high with a dwarf lion blue koran angle, clarikki clown and tomato clown.
The only inverts I have are a nice long tentacle anenome and a pink haitian tip. Any info helps thank you.

the koran MIGHT make it lunch or atleast pick at it. thats not a normal coral for it to mess with but it would not shock me. as for light IMO they are a med to high light needing coral. nothing less then strong pc to have good growth and bright color
btw i know its not the question you asked but that tank mix is begging fro problems very soon

 

[rujelus22]

And with all of that you have two anemones........wow, would love to see pictures of that

 

[hedonic]

Originally Posted by Bluekoran
it's a 15 gal high with a dwarf lion blue koran angle, clarikki clown and tomato clown.
In this size tank, with that many fish, I would not even try it. With that many fish in your tank you will be more then likley battling to many water quality issues for the frogspawn to thrive, espcially if you are feeding the lion live-foods... Wait to see if your haitian anm. makes it. With particular attention to the Angel, are you aware of the eventual size Koran angels attain?

 

[bluekoran]

yea, I guess I should have mentioned there all smaller sizes like the clarikki and tommato are small along with the lion. So what do you say?

 

[bluekoran]

well Im not sure the exact type of lights i have but both anenomes are doing just fine. Pics are gonna happen due to the fact that I have no clue how to load pictures onto my computer with the diffrent formats. What amount of lighting would I need like how many watts per gallon?

 

[saltn00b]

its not necessarily watts/ gallon you are looking for. you need to take into account light spectum, and other variable. if everything stays as is, your destined for failure. multiple clown specied should not be kept in the same tank unless it is very large, upwards of 125g+. and even then it is not reccommended. at first they will get along, it might seem, but i assure you that is only temporary. IMO no angel should be kept in a tank smaller than 55g, and that would be minimum for DWARF angels, which do no exceed 3 ". the Koran is not a dwarf and will eventually out grow that tank. that is of course assuming it lives that long. the list could go on with the problems you will soon have and i dont want to bash you. but you might want to get a much larger tank to upgrade to house those fish or seriously consider selling those fish back to your LFS. keep one, start small, and steady and slow. the LFS tend to tell people things they want to hear just to make the sale, so beware.

 

[rujelus22]

Well watts per gallon really isn't the best way to judge light, It all depends on the par, and the lumes that the light makes, but I would say around 5-9 watts for anemones. What kind of lights do you have

 

[bluekoran]

like I said im not sure ill have to check but are frogspawns a tough coral to keep?

 

[rujelus22]

I would say the frogspawn is moderate it's not really easy but definitaly not one of the hardest, but I wouldn't put anything into that tank till you get some of the other problems fixed or you will have some major problems

 

[hedonic]

Watts per gallon is only a rough estimate. The true meausre of light intensity is Lumen per Square Foot. If you are running power compact lights the wattage and lumen output should be suffecient to sustain the frogspawn... I just think their are other issues with the tank.
For lion fish to grow, be healthy and happy, meaty foods (often live) need to be feed several times a day. This is fine in larger tanks that can handle the extra Bio-Load, but any uneaten foods will become a major problem in a nano-reef. And there will be uneaten foods. Lion-fish remind me of the freshwater oscar, they eat anything they can get in their mouth, and often leave half of what ever it is they where eating untouched... a deffinite problem in small tanks.
The Koran angel will grow suprisingly fast, but will not stay healthy on a high-protien diet. They need green foods like differnent types of algae, but will eventually (when they reach their potential 8"-10" mark) eat most types of LPS, SPS, and soft corals, as well as whipping out any sponge population that might be in your tank.
The two clowns will eventually start fighting. When clowns are young the are not sexually mature (usually takes about a year), and may tolerate differnt speceices. But, when they get sexually mature they will become territorial and will not tolerate one anothers presence in a 15gal tank. Espcially because tomato and clarki's clowns are way up their on the clown-agressiveness scale.
Finally, any nano tank that houses delicate corals needs to have an extremly small bio-load. LPS, anemones, and most other corals will not handle high ammonia, nitrites, or nitrates, which is the perisistant problem in overstocked tanks. To combat this if you want to keep what you have, MAKE SURE you have a protein skimmer, and buy one that says it will work for a 55 or 75 (like the CPR backpack skimmer), and preform religous (in other words do not skip) weekly 25% water changes. Also pack the tank with LR and at least a 2"-3" sandbed. Good luck
Originally Posted by saltn00b
the LFS tend to tell people things they want to hear just to make the sale, so beware.
P.S. not all of them, just the ones with out souls, akin to your used car salesman. There are some who make the effort... not to blow my own horn or anything.

 

[saltn00b]

of course not all of them
but from my experience, way too many

 

[hedonic]

Originally Posted by saltn00b
of course not all of them
but from my experience, way too many
an unfortuante truth for sure.

 

[moneyman]

Originally Posted by Bluekoran
like I said im not sure ill have to check but are frogspawns a tough coral to keep?
Frogspawns like all type of Large Polyps Stoney (LPS) corals are easier than Small Polyps Stoney (SPS) corals. Yet, LPS are harder to keep than soft corals like mushrooms.
Here is the likely senario for your tank.
Your anemones will walk around stinging the frogspawn. Its polyps will be always retreated. With not enough light and unable to capture food, your frogspawn will die a slow death.

 

[hedonic]

Originally Posted by MoneyMan
Your anemones will walk around stinging the frogspawn. Its polyps will be always retreated. With not enough light and unable to capture food, your frogspawn will die a slow death.
not neccesarily, Frogspawns (like any anchor corals) have nematocysts which can also pack a punch. the other issues are more critical, you can always just move the frogspawn.

 

[bluekoran]

Ok thanks for your help and as for the clowns im working on that right now. but I don feed the angle more then just meaty foods. Thread closed. thanks for all the help!

 

[hagfish]

I think you should also be aware that the pink tip haitian anemone alone can and will grow to the size of your tank. Possibly very quickly too. And the LTA will also get very big.
I would take both of the anemone's back or try to sell/trade them to someone. If you want a hosting anemone, the bulb tip anemone is a better choice because it stays smaller and requires less light than other hosting anemone's.