Garlic as a treatment for ich

jerthunter

Active Member
Ok, I am just curious what success if any people have had treating ich with only garlic and if so what doses or methods did you use? Also has anyone found something that works besides the already well documented methods such as copper, hyposalinity, or other fish medications. Thanks, I am interested in hearing personal experiences with garlic for fish..
 

nanocuber7

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i would definatly not recomend garlic treatment. it most likely wont work. it might work if you have a very minor case of ich. but it is a good deturant against ich and other parasites.
 

hot883

Active Member
GARLIC DOES NOT cure ICH. It is used to boost the immune system, but ICH will always be in the tank unless you treat with copper or hyposalinity. Those miracle kick ich etc. where it says you can treat the main tank with lr, ls and inverts in there too is a waste of money and a total misrepresentation. IMO Just my $.03
 

jerthunter

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I have been doing a lot of research into garlic usage as a treatment for ich, and I understand that there is not enough scientific data to show garlic as a cure for ich, but I also have done enough research to know that there is not enough data to show garlic cannot be used to cure ich. I wish I had the facilities needed to test the effectiveness of garlic treatment on fish but I do not. That being said I am just curious if anyone has had any results from this method. I am not so much interested in discuss methods such as hyposalinity or copper since there is already a vast amount of information on those methods. I also would not advise anyone to use garlic solely as a method of treating ich but my research has sparked my curiousity on this topic. Thanks
 

hot883

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Originally Posted by Jerthunter
I have been doing a lot of research into garlic usage as a treatment for ich, and I understand that there is not enough scientific data to show garlic as a cure for ich, but I also have done enough research to know that there is not enough data to show garlic cannot be used to cure ich. I wish I had the facilities needed to test the effectiveness of garlic treatment on fish but I do not. That being said I am just curious if anyone has had any results from this method. I am not so much interested in discuss methods such as hyposalinity or copper since there is already a vast amount of information on those methods. I also would not advise anyone to use garlic solely as a method of treating ich but my research has sparked my curiousity on this topic. Thanks
I agree, there is not enough data out there. However, the reef's don't grow garlic cloves so I don't know how this could be.
 

kaseykagan

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So I ask, how do you get ICK out of your main tank? Our Tang now has it. We have a yellow neon goby, and 4 cleaner shrimp! Will they combat the problem?
 

jerthunter

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Originally Posted by hot883
I agree, there is not enough data out there. However, the reef's don't grow garlic cloves so I don't know how this could be.
Keep in mind though that copper is not naturally found in signifcant quantities on a reef, also hyposalinity is not a naturally occuring phenomenom on a reef (atleast I don't think so, correct me if I am wrong.)
I started looking into garlic out of mere curiousity but after researching about many of its uses I have become even more curious.
 

jerthunter

Active Member
Originally Posted by kaseykagan
So I ask, how do you get ICK out of your main tank? Our Tang now has it. We have a yellow neon goby, and 4 cleaner shrimp! Will they combat the problem?
If you have ich I would recommend looking at the diease forum and looking into a QT and using one of the already proven methods. Although to answer your question, the shrimp will combat the problem, however they will not cure the problem.
Right now garlic is only considered to be beneficial in prevention. Cleaner shrimp are also great for prevention and inproving the overall health of your fish.
I want to make sure to point out that although I am very interested in the beneficial properties of garlic that it is not a proven effective method of combating ich. I don't want anyone reading this thread to get the wrong idea...
 

hot883

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If you take all the fish out of the main tank and let the main tank go fishless (falow) then it will kill off the parasite in the main tank by starvation. The fish you take out will have to be put in a qt and dealt with in there.
 

scubadoo

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A cut and paste from an article by Jorge Cortes......there has not been alot of studies regarding garlic and the effectiveness against ich. Here is part of the article....
In a parasitic protozoan infestation similar to Marine Ich, there are usually two major insults to the host fish's physiology:
1. the gross tissue damage committed by the protozoans themselves;
2. and the secondary infections that crash the party.
The applicability of such a broad-spectrum antiseptic as contained in garlic towards fending off secondary infections should be obvious, so I will set aside secondary infections at this point. Allicin has been observed to suppress the efficacy of cysteine proteinase and alcohol dehydrogenase, two tissue-demolition agents produced by another protozoan parasite, Entamoeba histolytica, (Ankri et.al., 1997), and one can easily extrapolate how garlic medication might limit the invasive and predatory damage caused directly by C. irritans.
Still, what generates as much (if not more) speculation is not the ability of garlic to restrict damage, but rather garlic's apparent ability to deliver damage to the parasites themselves -with numerous claims of outright detachment of C. irritans trophonts (the burrowing protozoans) and tomonts (the "egg cysts") as a result.
The aforementioned ability of allicin to permeate tissue and mucus enables it to invest an afflicted area thoroughly with its partially sulfurous chemical signature. The potential is there to mask the chemical cues that enable a parasite's recognition of the host, potentially confusing the invader and further suppressing the havoc it wreaks. (Indeed this would help uninfested fish dodge "Marine Ich").
Definitely, allicin brings outright chemical assault to the parasite. In one test, allicin’s cytotoxicity fell heavily against the parasitic protozoans Trypanosoma spp. and Giardia lamblia in concentrations that were well within the tolerance of 'host-tissue' fibroblasts (Lun et.al., 1994). The same penetrating power that ensures thorough investiture of the contested tissue with protective and camouflaging agents can also ensure thorough delivery of allicin's antagonism to --indeed, into-- invading parasites.
Lastly (though certainly, other properties may yet be discovered), allicin is said to reinforce the cues for cellular apoptosis, the mechanism of programmed cell-death (Thatte et.al., 2000). An innate mechanism such as apoptosis, guided with care, has the potential to severely limit the spread of say, cancer, by motivating cancerous cells to quickly self-terminate before they can multiply. If such a 'scorched earth' defense can be triggered by an infestation episode and be guided/reinforced by allicin, then yet another way may be revealed how garlic hinders both the ability of parasites to feed on host tissue and any opportunity for secondary infections to spread.
So roughly, garlic therapy can potentially
1. fend off secondary infection;
2. neutralize the chemicals used by the parasite to destroy host tissue;
3. mask host tissue, making it difficult for the parasite to recognize it;
4. deliver outright damage to the parasite.
 

jerthunter

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Thanks ScubaDoo, I had not read that particular article but the imformation is very similar to what I have found researching other articles.
One of the biggest points of interest is the possible ability of garlic to mask host tissue. It amazes me how broadly garlic is used among humans and land mammals with good results and now it even shows promise with regards to aquatic life.
Also I just got done reading an article I found online, if anyone is interested it is at this site:
HERE!
We can post links to other sites right? I sure hope so since I did...
 

boom215

Member
i know that i shouldnt have but i bought a yt that was all stressed out and had nipped fins and i was like i have to save him. took him home and i dont have a qt and three days later he had what looked like ich. i went out and started coating all his food in this garlic extreme stuff and he loved it. it appears to have gone away and its only been three weeks but he looks fine for now. im not sayin it cured him but it might have just made him eat enough for him to get the strngth to fight it off. just my experience.
 

scubadoo

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There are a few other approaches in combatting.preventing ich besides garlic. All of these approaches need to be studied as marine ich has been discovered thriving in levels below those recommeded for hypo treatment. This has the potential now and/or in the future of rendering hyposalinity ineffective in some cases.
the so-called miracle reef safe cures are pure nonsense. How can one additive single out and kill ich while leaving all other inverts alone? It defies logic. If anyone beleives these products work contact the maufacturer and ask that which ingredient is the one that kills ...and how this was documented.
The only proven additive that will kill unattached parasites is copper..and that discovery was an accident years ago....as I recall.
 

hot883

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Originally Posted by boom215
i know that i shouldnt have but i bought a yt that was all stressed out and had nipped fins and i was like i have to save him. took him home and i dont have a qt and three days later he had what looked like ich. i went out and started coating all his food in this garlic extreme stuff and he loved it. it appears to have gone away and its only been three weeks but he looks fine for now. im not sayin it cured him but it might have just made him eat enough for him to get the strngth to fight it off. just my experience.
The parasite will fall off the host or go to the free swimming stage making the host look ichless. But the parasite remains in the tank unless you kill it!
 

jerthunter

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Thanks boom for your story! Although we all know that this does not in any way prove that garlic is the reason your fish got better or even if your fish truely got better, it is very intriguing to me. Please, if anyone else has had any personal experience with garlic let me know. Any and all data concerning this topic is of interest to me, even if the data is just your personal observations in an uncontrolled enviroment. Garlic's properties have been studied alot however there needs to be more research in this field in order to understand what value garlic has in the aquarium industry. I am asking for people's personal experiences in the hopes to find specific patterns that could later be used in a controlled eviroment for testing. As of now my hypothesis is still not determined other then that I believe it is beneficial to some extent. Hopefully over time there will be a broad enough spectrum of data available to me that will assist with far more controlled and directed study into this matter.
Thanks everyone.
 

drea

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well, don't worry about studies,,, they always conflict one another imo
garlic is a very strong anti ox....... so while it will not get rid of ick, it will boost the fish's immune system imo..... its common sense..... maybe it dosen't but my fish are all super healthy and i never got ick again after i started doing this, try for your self, but do this when ick is gone..
i soak a bag of mysis in garlic, then freeze... this is done eod
spirulina is feed everyday
 

webby34

New Member
Garlick will get rid of ick, if used properly and diligently, however this is only if the all other water perameters are perfect. Ich is and always will be present in any and all water, the question is what is causing the fish to weaken to the point of it showing. The best thing I have found is a UV sterilizer, I know some will argue that it is not beneficial to a reef setup and only good for fish only tanks, but from my experience it also works great on many reef problems, just don't over due it, meaning get the correct size for your tank and then the correct water flow. hope this help alittle.
 

beth

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Originally Posted by ScubaDoo
The only proven additive that will kill unattached parasites is copper..and that discovery was an accident years ago....as I recall.
Bruce, copper kills ich at the free-swimming, infectious, theront stage, not while attached to fish.
Do you have a source that says otherwise? I'd be interested to know the source.
 
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