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stdreb27

stdreb27

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Originally Posted by spanko
http:///forum/post/3285749
So I ask, does he truly have concerns or is he a drama queen.
Your thoughts?
Personally I think he is both... I'm not a huge fan. But the 2 times I did listen to him, he was awesome. The first time, he was talking about a theory (that he didn't subscribe too but was just an entertaining thought) where someone was arguing that the fed would eventually try to deflate out currency to a hyperinflative state so it would be cheaper to repay our debt. Which would make a fantastic economics paper.
The second time he was interviewing a then up and comming candidate for the republican nomination for governor. And she all but said she was a truther. And well that was the end of that campaign...
I also appreciate his opinion of Bush's last year in office, I fight it a little more honest of an opinion and mantra that Rush is on discussing the state of the economy.
 
stdreb27

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It also amazes me that people can't recognise a decent person when they see them. IMO Bush's faults were all stemmed from his inability to recognize his enemy. Any republican that would get together with Ted Kennedy to write a bill is a fool. At least he drew the line in the sand regarding the war, and his supreme court nominees.
He was about as honest and decent a person as you have for a prez and yet to this day people can't see that...
 
mantisman51

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By and large (though not Beck related) I would agree, except for 1) Bankruptcy reform-giving banks the financial equivalent of debtors prison. 2) Giving tax credits to American companies to move industrial production overseas 3) Deregulation of the financial markets (started by Clinton) and stripping away almost all oversight of the banking system. 3 things that weren't honest and decent, just padding the wallets of his big business buddies at the expense of working people. He probably thought it would "lift all boats" but it only decimated the middle class. And now with the Democrat tax machine in high gear, the middle class may never recover the lost wealth in our lifetime.
 
stdreb27

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Originally Posted by mantisman51
http:///forum/post/3286164
By and large (though not Beck related) I would agree, except for 1) Bankruptcy reform-giving banks the financial equivalent of debtors prison. 2) Giving tax credits to American companies to move industrial production overseas 3) Deregulation of the financial markets (started by Clinton) and stripping away almost all oversight of the banking system. 3 things that weren't honest and decent, just padding the wallets of his big business buddies at the expense of working people. He probably thought it would "lift all boats" but it only decimated the middle class. And now with the Democrat tax machine in high gear, the middle class may never recover the lost wealth in our lifetime.
There in lies the problem, the finacial mechanisms that created the instability and huge losses were a result of government legislation. Not a result of lack of oversite. Government created entities were the ones perpitrating the fraud that created the instability. It wasn't the private sector...
I've more than once posted on here what happened without names, and have heard right on's from both sides of the political spectrum. But when I put names in there, they party lines re-emerge...
 
mantisman51

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Ulysses S Grant, Milton Hershey, Thomas Edison, Henry Ford, Abraham Lincoln, Samuel Clemons and Donald Trump all used the protection of bankruptcy and many would not have been able to achieve what they did without that protection. Secondly, CEO's and corporate boards can draw multi-million dollar salaries and wipe out investors and the public's money and walk away rich and unscathed. So, I guess your right, why should working people expect the same treatment? The same bankers who pushed bankruptcy reform lost trillions and not only walked away from the debt, they got us who can't go bankrupt, pay for it all. Why indeed shouldn't we pay our debts, only the super-wealthy deserve protection.
 
reefraff

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Hate to burst your bubble but what is available now is more like what Trump went through which allows you to reorganize your debt instead of just walking away clean with no debt. Too many people were scamming the system under the old rules. So now instead of filing Chapter 7 most people will be forced to file Chapter 13.
 
soviettaco

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So Democrats and Republicans are "enemies"? I'm tired of this BS that Democrats and Republicans are supposed to be polar opposites and 100% against each other. I can't stand when people say certain parties hurt America and do so deliberately. They are trying to do exactly the same dang thing!!! Just because they have different ideologies doesn't make them enemies nor does it make one side the good guys and one side the bad guys. I'm tired of people saying it and believing it, if you can't realize and frankly if elected officials can't realize that government is intended to make compromises by working along side those with differing views we aren't living in America any more and democracy and diplomacy is dead.
And for the record who was talking about decency? I am sure Bush is a good man but we were talking about etiquette, and being a good guy doesn't and should never define a presidency.
All I am saying is if we do not get it into our heads that we are all Americans and love our country we may not have a country to love any more.
 
stdreb27

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Originally Posted by SOVIETTACO
http:///forum/post/3286354
So Democrats and Republicans are "enemies"? I'm tired of this BS that Democrats and Republicans are supposed to be polar opposites and 100% against each other. I can't stand when people say certain parties hurt America and do so deliberately. They are trying to do exactly the same dang thing!!! Just because they have different ideologies doesn't make them enemies nor does it make one side the good guys and one side the bad guys. I'm tired of people saying it and believing it, if you can't realize and frankly if elected officials can't realize that government is intended to make compromises by working along side those with differing views we aren't living in America any more and democracy and diplomacy is dead.
And for the record who was talking about decency? I am sure Bush is a good man but we were talking about etiquette, and being a good guy doesn't and should never define a presidency.
All I am saying is if we do not get it into our heads that we are all Americans and love our country we may not have a country to love any more.
If you're intellectually honest watching what certain people are saying and doing in this country, you'll be forced to conclude one of two things, either they're complete idiots or they're doing this on purpose... And well no one is that dumb...
 
soviettaco

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Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/3286359
If you're intellectually honest watching what certain people are saying and doing in this country, you'll be forced to conclude one of two things, either they're complete idiots or they're doing this on purpose... And well no one is that dumb...
And the electoral college is intended for nothing....
I'm not saying there aren't those who make decisions for their own personal gain or that corruption does not exist but assuming that a whole party is the same is ridiculous.
You honestly believe democrats and republicans are enemies?
 
reefraff

reefraff

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Originally Posted by SOVIETTACO
http:///forum/post/3286354
So Democrats and Republicans are "enemies"? I'm tired of this BS that Democrats and Republicans are supposed to be polar opposites and 100% against each other. I can't stand when people say certain parties hurt America and do so deliberately. They are trying to do exactly the same dang thing!!! Just because they have different ideologies doesn't make them enemies nor does it make one side the good guys and one side the bad guys. I'm tired of people saying it and believing it, if you can't realize and frankly if elected officials can't realize that government is intended to make compromises by working along side those with differing views we aren't living in America any more and democracy and diplomacy is dead.
And for the record who was talking about decency? I am sure Bush is a good man but we were talking about etiquette, and being a good guy doesn't and should never define a presidency.
All I am saying is if we do not get it into our heads that we are all Americans and love our country we may not have a country to love any more.
I do consider the Democrat party to be my enemy, but not Democrats in general. I simply oppose too much of what the party is pushing to think otherwise.
I got involved in local politics back in the 90's and saw first hand how little your garden variety Democrat and Republican have to disagree about at the local level. Once you get into state and national politics the differences begin to really show up but they still aren't that large. It's individual candidates and the parties that create the divide.
 
oscardeuce

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Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/3285767
So what's this magnanomous event on August 28? The reincarnation of MLK and Michael Jackson, so Beck and his followers can stand hand-in-hand singing "We Are The World", "God Bless America", and "The National Anthem"?
Sorry, but I think Lebron James' little media circus will have bigger attendance numbers than what Beck's glorious event in Washington will draw...
You mean "The Star Spangled Banner" instead of "The National Anthem"?
I'd go to the Beck or similar event, but then again I have a job.
 
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