Good Agressives for 55 gallon

iluvswfish

Member
What are some good stocking suggestions? I'm dizzy with reading and there are so many different size estimates for the same fish, I don't know what to think. I know I don't want any eels (too much like a snake for me) and Volitans is the only Lion I like and I know they get way too big for this tank. I'm already looking for a big tank but let's try to keep it to minimal things moving to the new setup. I love Triggers and Tangs but most are way too big. I've read several times that a Yellow or Kole could be kept in a 55 (4 ft Long) but I love the Purple Tang, isn't it the same size as the Yellow? I'm open to suggestions, some others I'm interested in (not together of course) are :
Purple Tang (This fish attracted me to the hobby)
Humu Trigger
Niger Trigger (9" or 24" ? want to have one someday and need to know)
Facula Butterflyfish
Pakistan Butterflyfish
Blue Spot Puffer (or one of the other small Toby Puffers)
Banana Wrasse
Maroon Clowns
I would like to do one or two agressive fish or maybe the purple alone or with a few very small fish. What would work and what am I not thinking of?
 
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surfinusa

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not all those fish you can keep thats way to much i would go with a purple tang maroon
clowns and a niger trigger thats it :happyfish
 

fixed

Member
If it were me, I'd keep the tang, humu, and maroon, IF you carefully observe and they get along ok. I'd start with a larger maroon, like 3".
I had horrible luck with butterflys, and this experience bears out in the literature, too.
Humu's are extremely interesting fish, both behavior and markings. Keep in mind that eventually you may need to give it away or get a larger tank, though.
 

unleashed

Active Member
Originally Posted by Fixed
If it were me, I'd keep the tang, humu, and maroon, IF you carefully observe and they get along ok. I'd start with a larger maroon, like 3".
I had horrible luck with butterflys, and this experience bears out in the literature, too.
Humu's are extremely interesting fish, both behavior and markings. Keep in mind that eventually you may need to give it away or get a larger tank, though.
a huma trigger should not be placed into a 55 along with most of these other fish.triggers especially huma triggers are very well known for aggression even in larger set ups.they have the reputation of doing fine for some time then owners wake up one morning to find all but the huma dead. .
Purple Tang (This fish attracted me to the hobby)will stress in a 55
Humu Trigger
Niger Trigger (9" or 24" ? want to have one someday and need to know)
Facula Butterflyfish
Pakistan Butterflyfish
Blue Spot Puffer (or one of the other small Toby Puffers)
Banana Wrasse
Maroon Clowns
i truly recommend doing more research on these fish before purchasing anything as to tank size requirments and compatebility
 

iluvswfish

Member
Thanks for the suggestions, please keep the feedback coming. Thanks Fixed and SurfinUSA, those are the types of suggestions I was hoping for. Do we have any idea what the final size is on the Niger though? I really like them but I need to know the final size. Also how quickly will the fish reach adult size with proper feeding and low stress? Would I have 6 months to a year to get the larger tank ready if I got the smallest fish available? Of course the Maroon needs to be the biggest of the 2 or 3 fish.
i truly recommend doing more research on these fish before purchasing anything as to tank size requirments and compatebility
As I said I am dizzy with reading and have found conflicting facts. I also consider asking people who have actual experience with the fish I'm interested in as research. I've read every issue of Advanced Aquariast, Every Issue of Reefkeeping Online, months of posts here and at Reef Central, plus I checked out over a dozen library books including Tullock's Natural Reefs and Your First Marine Aquarium. Plus I've researched some on wetwebmedia and fishbase as well as some online fish dealers like swf.com, ***********, ***********, Dr.s, hence the confusion. What else would you suggest?
 

fixed

Member
Originally Posted by iluvswfish
Thanks for the suggestions, please keep the feedback coming. Thanks Fixed and SurfinUSA, those are the types of suggestions I was hoping for. Do we have any idea what the final size is on the Niger though? I really like them but I need to know the final size. Also how quickly will the fish reach adult size with proper feeding and low stress? Would I have 6 months to a year to get the larger tank ready if I got the smallest fish available? Of course the Maroon needs to be the biggest of the 2 or 3 fish.
As I said I am dizzy with reading and have found conflicting facts. I also consider asking people who have actual experience with the fish I'm interested in as research. I've read every issue of Advanced Aquariast, Every Issue of Reefkeeping Online, months of posts here and at Reef Central, plus I checked out over a dozen library books including Tullock's Natural Reefs and Your First Marine Aquarium. Plus I've researched some on wetwebmedia and fishbase as well as some online fish dealers like swf.com, ***********, ***********, Dr.s, hence the confusion. What else would you suggest?
Part of the problem in planning these things, as I have found, is that no sources are complete or perfect, everyone has different experiences, and that's probably because the fish and their conditions are highly variable.
You just can't accurately generalize about some of these fish. Some people might find that a 2" maroon clown lasts for 10 years in with a 6" humu. Go figure. The probabilities might be lower, but it can and does happen. I suppose generalizations and probabilities are about all you can go on, with the understanding up front that if you buck the generalizations and play against the odds, you are more likely to have problems. As someone pointed out, you might be fine for 5 years, then wake up one day and find most of the fish dead. It happens, and it's not predictable.
I'd think that any time we are discussing live organisms there will be a whole lot of variability. Can a pit bull make a good pet for a family with a 2 year old child? I'd bet you could find a thousand people who would say they did and found it to be perfect. Would I do it? Heck no. There, the benefit does not justify the risk, however small the risk might be.
So, in every case, you'll have to do your own benefit vs. risk analysis. There are essentially two kinds of risk involved here -- economic and moral. The economics are fairly straightforward and not that significant. So what if you lose a few $25 fish? Heck, you tried and learned something from it. The moral, however, I think we each have to size up ourselves. Is it immoral to risk the life or happiness of a creature, however inexpensive, unnecessarily? I can't tell you that. I'm sure thousands of marine fish die every day in the wild, during capture and transportation, or even in well-maintained tanks. It happens.
So, I think you do the reading, make your judgments on the benefit/risk analysis, then try to make it work. I would just try to avoid the completely stupid and/or nearly immoral risks, like way overstocking or putting victim fish in with obvious predators. At least stay in the low-risk to gray area.
I find advice here very conservative. If you follow sort of the average of the advice here, you'll likely be well within the low-risk area. If you propose something well beyond the norm, be prepared to be chastized for it. Not many are going to tell you what you want to hear. If you decide to disregard all the good advice, I'd just keep it to myself.
 

iluvswfish

Member
Thank you so much Fixed and that explains why I am having some difficulty gleening the correct info about some of these species. I've read and observed that they do have their own personalities so I know to expect variations, I guess I'm trying to determine the risk. Yeah fishes do die in the wild and other places and unfortuantely some will utimately die in my care (hopefully of old age but I'm also realistic) but, I certainly do not want any creature to suffer needlessly in my care. My philosophy is that if I'm going to keep an animal, I have an obligation to give it a better life than it would've had otherwise. I don't think I'm as militant as some, I'm not completely careless either and there is the $ factor as well. The other problem is that along with all fish having their own personality, so do people and as such there may be limited experience putting certain species together.
Being new to the hobby, I'm going to take your advice and stay away from the Butterflies for now. I like your stocking suggestion, do you have any idea what range in size I can expect the Humu to get and how fast? The best concensus from reading I can get is that he'll get around 9" but no idea how fast and won't he need a bigger tank around 5-6" or so? A 55 is only 13" wide so, I would think he needs 2x that to turn at least.
 
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surfinusa

Guest
not all those fish you can keep thats way to much i would go with a purple tang maroon
clowns and a niger trigger thats it :happyfish
 
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