Good or bad algae?

edc381

New Member
I have an established tank, about 1 1/2 yrs old. The last 6 months I have seen an overgrowth of a reddish purple algae on my rocks and sand. Originally, it was hard, crusty pinkish purple. I was told by local saltwater aquarium store this was a good algae (coraline algae). Today I stopped to get supplies and talked with a different guy at store and he says he thinks it is cyanobacteria. I have tried in past to get small polyps of coral to take hold, but the "algae" has kept rock too slippery for algae to take foot.
The reddish purple algae now has a thick dark green coat over it. The astrea snails I have have done a moderate job eating it, but not quite keeping up. I have scraped some off the rocks and within 2-3 weeks it is covered again.
I'm concerned the second store guy is right and this is cyano rather than coraline. I do have coraline growing on the walls of the tank that I scrape off periodically when it becomes too much. Is this the right thing to do? Is the covering on my rocks algae or bacteria? If bacteria, I understand this is almost impossible to get rid of.
I have 2 clowns, a yellow tail blue damsel, a 3striped damsel, a LARGE Beau Gregory Damsel, a HUGE neon (blue velvet) damsel, and a yellow tang. All fish are almost as old as the tank. I did have a large anemone but when my heater broke, the temperature change killed it. Several snails and few crabs. This about sums it all up.
I welcome all info and suggestions as most of what I know has come from some books and the local store people.
 

meowzer

Moderator
Before we can help...we need some info
Tank size, filtration, powerheads (how many) clean up crew (what ya got), lighting...what and how long do you run it, what do you feed...how much do you feed,
anything and everything about your tank would help.....also do you have a pic?
 

edc381

New Member
65 gal, Eheim cannister filter, 2 powerheads on opposite sides of tank to create circular flow, 1 clam, about 10-15 astrae snails, hermit crabs, emerald crab, AqauticLife lighting (700, 420/400, LED's) running on pre-programed timing (low lights from 8-9am, highlights from 9a-6p, low lights from 6p-9p, LED's from 9p - 6a, no lights from 6a - 8a). Feeding some frozen shrimp mix (2-3x/wk) and dry pellet (2x/daily). Using also ultraviolet unit and protein skimmer. Temp of tank kept between 80 and 82 degrees (fluctuates with room temp throughout day). Established with live rock and live sand. No corals in tank yet but would like to add.
Any other information needed, please let me know.
I do check water weekly and checked tonite. pH 8.0, 0ppm Nitrates & Nitrites, Calcium 500ppm, 0ppm Ammonia.
 

flower

Well-Known Member
Originally Posted by edc381
http:///forum/post/3277875
65 gal, Eheim cannister filter, 2 powerheads on opposite sides of tank to create circular flow, 1 clam, about 10-15 astrae snails, hermit crabs, emerald crab, AqauticLife lighting (700, 420/400, LED's) running on pre-programed timing (low lights from 8-9am, highlights from 9a-6p, low lights from 6p-9p, LED's from 9p - 6a, no lights from 6a - 8a). Feeding some frozen shrimp mix (2-3x/wk) and dry pellet (2x/daily). Using also ultraviolet unit and protein skimmer. Temp of tank kept between 80 and 82 degrees (fluctuates with room temp throughout day). Established with live rock and live sand. No corals in tank yet but would like to add.
Any other information needed, please let me know.
I do check water weekly and checked tonite. pH 8.0, 0ppm Nitrates & Nitrites, Calcium 500ppm, 0ppm Ammonia.

LFS is wrong, cyano is not impossible to get rid of and in fact is very easy. First question I have is how old your bulbs are. Bad bulbs allow for the wrong kind of algae to grow.
Cyano is caused by overfeeding which creates an abundance of nutrients for it to feed on, and low flow allows for it to settle in certain spots. Phosphates are the fire starters that let it go crazy.
Cyano is like a slimy red carpet, take a turkey baster and gently blow at the edge, it raises up like a matt, it’s cyano…if not it isn’t. The green you mentioned sounds like the start of hair algae, the critters are keeping it in check for the moment. That’s why I ask about the age of your bulbs.
So do the turkey baster thing and get back to us. (NEW never used for cooking turkey baster…LOL)
 

nycbob

Active Member
from the info u hv given, u hv power compact lighting along with led for moonlights. this lighting isnt strong enough for anemone. zoas and softies should be fine. pc lighting needs to be changed every 12-18 months. as for cyano, it could be overfeeding and not enought flow around the tank. i am not saying ur test is wrong, but 0 nitrate doesnt sound right especially how much livestocks u hv got. r u using ro water during water change? what is the phosphate level? even in a prefect setup, algae is going to be present in a tank. its natural to hv some algae, as long as its not taking over the tank. u could try getting different cleanup crews, such as 2-3 turbo snails along with some ceriths.
 

edc381

New Member
Originally Posted by Flower
http:///forum/post/3277903

LFS is wrong, cyano is not impossible to get rid of and in fact is very easy. First question I have is how old your bulbs are. Bad bulbs allow for the wrong kind of algae to grow.
Cyano is caused by overfeeding which creates an abundance of nutrients for it to feed on, and low flow allows for it to settle in certain spots. Phosphates are the fire starters that let it go crazy.
Cyano is like a slimy red carpet, take a turkey baster and gently blow at the edge, it raises up like a matt, it’s cyano…if not it isn’t. The green you mentioned sounds like the start of hair algae, the critters are keeping it in check for the moment. That’s why I ask about the age of your bulbs.
So do the turkey baster thing and get back to us. (NEW never used for cooking turkey baster…LOL)
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Well, I tried your turkey baster thing and it does blow off like sheets of whispy, thick slime. I guess this means its cyano. I thought snails wouldn't eat if it was cyano... The green is hairy algae forming, not sure what to do now. I'm thinking I just need to get more cleaners??????
 

meowzer

Moderator
Some snails will eat it.....astrea will, scarlet hermits (supposedly) will.....as far as the hair, emeral crabs and sally light foot crabs work good, as do the turbo snails....
You just need to keep siphoning it, and do extra water changes...also add more flow, feed less, and feed better foods, get rid of the pellets....use them for a snack maybe
 

flower

Well-Known Member

Hair algae isn’t a big deal if your critters are already eating it before it gets to be the long nasty stuff, as long as it’s just green on the rock it is fish food.. As for Cyano, Red Slime remover is a quick fix, then get something to get rid of phosphates, do water changes and like meowzer said change the food and the amount you feed.
Always use RO water for changes and top offs, and increase your water flow. The red slime won’t return if you do that.
 
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