Goodbye!

kablamo

Member
Well guys, it's been fun, but I have neither the time nor the money to keep a reef tank going. I am now focusing on african cichlids, just got my tank set up and started the cycle a few minutes ago.
It's been awesome, Bang guy, thanks for all of the great answers and informative information,
Beth, thank's for your great answers and information.
See you on cichlid-forums.com haha.
(Is that a competitor website? I don't think so)
Peace, Dano Kablamo :happyfish
 

kablamo

Member
PS I will keep those freshies in line and keep my mantra: NO PIRATE SHIPS, NO DIVERS, AND NO CASTLES. That stuff is dumb.
 

puffer32

Active Member
yeah, i went from africans to salt, and never turned back. Africans can be intresting also, brackish water is still salty
Good luck to you!
 

kablamo

Member
I'm still going to keep my africans, but they have to find some new rocks to hang out with, they are going in the reef as base rock.
Here's my african tank.
 

murph

Active Member
I can understand where you are coming from kablamo. The cost prohibitive nature of this hobby is discouraging people and leaving them out on one of the most interesting and relaxing hobby's there is. I have not met one person that looks at a nice marine set up and says yuk I would never want one of those in my house but when they hear what the initial investment would be to start one they quickly walk away.
IMO the problem is that most LFS try to go for the kill at the beginning rather than propagate a long term customer. That combined with the staggering profit margin they attempt to take on certain items in the hobby and the pushing of useless "gadgets" may make them some money in the beginning but is nothing compared to what they could have made over a period of years if they get there customer introduced for a smaller initial investment and that customer stays in the hobby.
Fist off it doesn't have to cost an arm and a leg to get started in this hobby. If I were the LFS here is how things would work.
Ok Mr. Managahandle so you want to start a sw aquarium. Over here we have a 75 gallon tank with ug filter plates 80 pounds of cc a few inexpensive air pumps and some tubing and a bottle of Amquel and some salt mix. (yes I know no one here likes UG filters but IMO this is the easiest way to get a large biological filter established and the tank will initially be fo anyway)
Initial investment some where around $320
Explain the nitrogen cycle to him and tell him to go home set up the aquarium and come back next weekend. The following weekend sell him some egg crating for the top and start him on his lighting. Just a few CPF in simple shop fixtures he can place directly on top of the egg crating. Week two investment $45 dollars. Tell him to come back next weekend.
By week three Mr. Manogahandle will most likely come back full of his own ideas about what he needs next and viola you have a life long customer. Be honest about what he really needs and doesn't need and on week four give him a couple of damsels gratis Most likely you will see MR. Managahandle each weekend afterward as he slowly turns his aquarium into a real reef system with out turning him away the first week with a $1000 dollar price tag just to get started.
If Mr. Manogahandle decides to stop there with a FO tank thats ok too. MR Managahandle will be showing that tank off to his friends and neighbors. They will invariably ask the question "wasn't that awfully expensive to set up?" Not really just go down and talk to Murph at the LFS.
Just my two cents.
 

hot883

Active Member
Originally Posted by Murph
I can understand where you are coming from kablamo. The cost prohibitive nature of this hobby is discouraging people and leaving them out on one of the most interesting and relaxing hobby's there is. I have not met one person that looks at a nice marine set up and says yuk I would never want one of those in my house but when they hear what the initial investment would be to start one they quickly walk away.
IMO the problem is that most LFS try to go for the kill at the beginning rather than propagate a long term customer. That combined with the staggering profit margin they attempt to take on certain items in the hobby and the pushing of useless "gadgets" may make them some money in the beginning but is nothing compared to what they could have made over a period of years if they get there customer introduced for a smaller initial investment and that customer stays in the hobby.
Fist off it doesn't have to cost an arm and a leg to get started in this hobby. If I were the LFS here is how things would work.
Ok Mr. Managahandle so you want to start a sw aquarium. Over here we have a 75 gallon tank with ug filter plates 80 pounds of cc a few inexpensive air pumps and some tubing and a bottle of Amquel and some salt mix. (yes I know no one here likes UG filters but IMO this is the easiest way to get a large biological filter established and the tank will initially be fo anyway)
Initial investment some where around $320
Explain the nitrogen cycle to him and tell him to go home set up the aquarium and come back next weekend. The following weekend sell him some egg crating for the top and start him on his lighting. Just a few CPF in simple shop fixtures he can place directly on top of the egg crating. Week two investment $45 dollars. Tell him to come back next weekend.
By week three Mr. Manogahandle will most likely come back full of his own ideas about what he needs next and viola you have a life long customer. Be honest about what he really needs and doesn't need and on week four give him a couple of damsels gratis Most likely you will see MR. Managahandle each weekend afterward as he slowly turns his aquarium into a real reef system with out turning him away the first week with a $1000 dollar price tag just to get started.
Just my two cents.
Makes sense to me!
Kablamo, I've been looking for other Okies on here and now you are leaving
Hope you come back again and atleast visit. Good luck with the cichlids. My brother wants to get those.
 

sw-newbe

Member
Originally Posted by Murph
I can understand where you are coming from kablamo. The cost prohibitive nature of this hobby is discouraging people and leaving them out on one of the most interesting and relaxing hobby's there is. I have not met one person that looks at a nice marine set up and says yuk I would never want one of those in my house but when they hear what the initial investment would be to start one they quickly walk away.
IMO the problem is that most LFS try to go for the kill at the beginning rather than propagate a long term customer. That combined with the staggering profit margin they attempt to take on certain items in the hobby and the pushing of useless "gadgets" may make them some money in the beginning but is nothing compared to what they could have made over a period of years if they get there customer introduced for a smaller initial investment and that customer stays in the hobby.
Fist off it doesn't have to cost an arm and a leg to get started in this hobby. If I were the LFS here is how things would work.
Ok Mr. Managahandle so you want to start a sw aquarium. Over here we have a 75 gallon tank with ug filter plates 80 pounds of cc a few inexpensive air pumps and some tubing and a bottle of Amquel and some salt mix. (yes I know no one here likes UG filters but IMO this is the easiest way to get a large biological filter established and the tank will initially be fo anyway)
Initial investment some where around $320
Explain the nitrogen cycle to him and tell him to go home set up the aquarium and come back next weekend. The following weekend sell him some egg crating for the top and start him on his lighting. Just a few CPF in simple shop fixtures he can place directly on top of the egg crating. Week two investment $45 dollars. Tell him to come back next weekend.
By week three Mr. Manogahandle will most likely come back full of his own ideas about what he needs next and viola you have a life long customer. Be honest about what he really needs and doesn't need and on week four give him a couple of damsels gratis Most likely you will see MR. Managahandle each weekend afterward as he slowly turns his aquarium into a real reef system with out turning him away the first week with a $1000 dollar price tag just to get started.
Just my two cents.

Amen brother!
I'm close to $2k (55 GALLON) and don't have the fish yet!
 

aelene

Member
Originally Posted by SW-Newbe
Amen brother!
I'm close to $2k (55 GALLON) and don't have the fish yet!

40g here, one fish and only half the live rock I need if not less.. and I'm already around $1500. What scares me is that I still need lighting (another $200) and I still need to setup a QT tank... which is gonna be another 100-200$ /sigh.
 

sw-newbe

Member
Originally Posted by Aelene
40g here, one fish and only half the live rock I need if not less.. and I'm already around $1500. What scares me is that I still need lighting (another $200) and I still need to setup a QT tank... which is gonna be another 100-200$ /sigh.
I know what you mean. I still need to set up the sumpfuge & QT and get the fish!
 

ophiura

Active Member
There are definitely cheaper ways to get into this hobby through DIY, looking in the paper/classifieds online, local reef clubs and the like. It takes more patience, it is a slo haul thing, but it can be done more cheaply, IMO. Either that or just stay within your means (eg don't keep corals, only a couple of fish) and slowly add to it. I don't have the best and fanciest stuff, but it works.
 

kablamo

Member
this thread got revived in the wrong way, I left like two montsh ago, and now I am back and planning my saltwater tank!
I'm here to stay, in the process of planning my 70 gallon reef~!
 
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