Got a fever of 86 degrees.

emm0909

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Well my tank is running HOT. It's usually around 85 at night and 87 when lights are on. The house is real hot and my roomate refuses to ever open a window. I'm suprised I stay alive in there.
My mushroom is doing fine as are the fish but I'm not going to add anything until I get this problem under control. I need a little help with chillers. I don't have a ton of money nor do I have a lot of space. I need to cool a 75 gal. What are you using?
 

miaheatlvr

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THAT IS WAY TO HOT? I think you would see alot of die off at the temperature, are you sure about the tank readings? even so it nees to get down to 78-80max. you can try the old fan trick, get a large fan or even a few of those clip on auto fans and point down at water. If your going to constsantly have heat issues your gonna have to save and get a chiller because those are UNSAFE heat levels for the home aquarium.
 

ninjamini

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In the mean time get that temp down. Get some water bottles and fill them with RO water. Put them in the freezer. When there solid put it into the tank. IT will cool things off and quicker than you think. Then refreeze. I would suggest freezing 5-6 or so so that way when you pull one out you can put another in.
Dude put on your air. That cheap son of a dog. I keep my house on 72-75. My tank stays at 81-82. I think thats too hot. You really need a chiller.
You may have something that is causing the offending heat. Turn off one pump, powerhead, heater at a time. Yea one of those may be the culprit. When I had the nano cube set up o could not get it below 86. I found out I had a bum heater.
 

mbowker

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Heknows he has a problem ( No A/C and no window open), he asked about a chiller. Quit with the advice and give a suggestion of where to get a inexpensive (if there is such a thing) chiller. You can go to the big

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site and get one. every once in a while they have them reasonably priced
 

emm0909

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(not SWF so it was deleted? LOL) I need a chiller. I don't really think that is in question.
I'm not going to put anything more in my tank until I solve this problem. I have two internal pumps. Maxijet 1200 (skimmer) in sump and a SEIO 1500, in tank. I have a Mag Drive 900 running the sump.
Space for a chiller is deffinately an issue. It will NEED to fit under the tank.
 
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rick2203

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you would be surprised what one of those $5 clip on fans can do, i had the same problem and put one of those 8" fans to blow ontop of my sump. and my temp went down from 85 to 78-80.
 

perfectdark

Active Member
I have a mini fan blowing across the top of my cube its a small fan and I opened the back chamber compartment and it hangs on it there. It keeps my temp at a steady 80*. But as for chillers, there is another site out there nano reefers i think their DIY column has a home made chiller on it and it supposedly works really well, and its very inexpensive.
 

tx reef

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You guys are nuts........
I am not saying it is okay that it stay at 87 forever, but why would you ever keep a tropical fish in water below 80 degress?
My tank is an SPS reef with several fish and inverts (snails and shrimp). The temp is around 82 overnight and 85 during the day.
Also, temperature swings of a few degrees should NOT be avoided. This is something that occurs daily on reefs. Many reefs see swings of up to 15 degrees in a matter of hours.
Anyway, if you could keep it at 85 you will be fine, unless you are keeping coldwater fish...............
Just get a fan to blow over the water surface and I am sure everything will be fine.
 

candycane

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That is the ocean though. In enclosed systems, tank temp fluctuations that are to large (3-6 degrees), with royally mess with your O, Calc, Alk, and DO levels. That is just because most of our systems are not 4 billion gallons, LOL.
Higher tank temperatures may not affect some things as much as they will others. However, most of the stuff that we import and get is from tempered waters that fall more along the line of 75-80. Like leathers for instance.
I am x20 with everyone else. As long as your heater has a separate temperature control, get some of the 9-dollar clip on fans, run a “shelf holder” out of your wall, and hang them upside down on that thing. It PROBABLY won’t affect anything and hopefully they don’t fall in your tank. Nevertheless, with just a regular heater, it might cause it to go haywire and fluctuate the temperature all over the place. I use fans on most of my tanks, which is why I switched all my tanks over to the titanium heaters with the separate wire for temperature sensing.
 

tx reef

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Why don't you do some reading......temperatures would have to go well into the 90s for any of those levels to be affected.
Oh, and please tell me how a 3 degree temperature change on a reef in the ocean during the day is any different than in my tank........
 

candycane

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Originally Posted by TX Reef
Why don't you do some reading......temperatures would have to go well into the 90s for any of those levels to be affected.
Oh, and please tell me how a 3 degree temperature change on a reef in the ocean during the day is any different than in my tank........
It may not be. I don't know off the top of my head what you do to your tank or don't do. On the other hand, if you use additives, or a calcium reactor, or CO system, or your lighting times, or your tank inhabitants, or what you feed, or what your substrate is made out of, etc.
In a living ocean however, a 3-degree fluctuation will not affect the parameters as it would in an enclosed system. In an enclosed system, nearly everything is symbiotic (same as the ocean though), there is just less of it to use in a tank.
I have done plenty of reading on the subject, LOL. I have also done about 15 years of testing. For instance, the symbiotic alga zooxanthellae that resides within the tissue of the more common hard stony corals is more susceptible to higher water temperatures. It does not work as effectively at higher water temperatures because it slows down the enzyme process that the zooxanthellae produce. Needless to say, that higher water temperature are also known for producing lower PH levels and altered acidity levels in the water. This in turn can and usually will substantially drop the alkalinity levels. These changes begin to take place at about 84-86 degrees. That is just off the top of my head.
If you have run your tank that hot and do, then that is great that you are having success. I have a whole library of Biology books and some good ones that I can recommend. If you would like, spend a few bucks on Marine Biology school. You get to dive and all sorts of stuff while learning in the process.
 

nietzsche

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Originally Posted by TX Reef
Why don't you do some reading......temperatures would have to go well into the 90s for any of those levels to be affected.
Oh, and please tell me how a 3 degree temperature change on a reef in the ocean during the day is any different than in my tank........
yeah, i read somewhere where someone did a study in the ocean on the temperatures and they were fluctuating constantly and at different levels of the ocean. something like that.
 

azfishgal

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I agree with TX Reef, one reason being is some reefers have realized the corals grow faster in warmer temps 80-83, then when they were keeping the tanks at 78. You find a lot of reefers on here have a temp of 84 during the summer and tanks are running and growing beautifully. I persoanlly go by what works, not just what I have read. My tank stays around 80 and goes up to 82.5-83 at the end of the day, corals, fish, calcium, alk, ph, are all stable.
emm, I have to agree on trying a cheap fan first. I have a bio-cube that gets up to 85 if I don't do anything, the powerhead heats up the water. I now have a small fan blowing across the top (i have the lid open) and the temp will get down to 78. I actually turn the fan off when it gets that low, because like TX Reef, I have tropical fish, not cold water fish.
Well, there is my 2 cents.
 

ridomart

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I use 16 oz bottles of ice in my refugium to kep my 120 around 82, fans don't seem to help that much but I've got two comp fans blowing too. Still no substute for a chiller when we all can aford one. To much invested to get chincy now, time & money.
 

candycane

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Originally Posted by azfishgal
I agree with TX Reef, one reason being is some reefers have realized the corals grow faster in warmer temps 80-83, then when they were keeping the tanks at 78. You find a lot of reefers on here have a temp of 84 during the summer and tanks are running and growing beautifully. I persoanlly go by what works, not just what I have read. My tank stays around 80 and goes up to 82.5-83 at the end of the day, corals, fish, calcium, alk, ph, are all stable.
emm, I have to agree on trying a cheap fan first. I have a bio-cube that gets up to 85 if I don't do anything, the powerhead heats up the water. I now have a small fan blowing across the top (i have the lid open) and the temp will get down to 78. I actually turn the fan off when it gets that low, because like TX Reef, I have tropical fish, not cold water fish.
Well, there is my 2 cents.


Just to point out, that is no different then what I said. Around 84-86 is when the temps start altering chemically bonded molecules. Check it out in my post about 4-5 up, right up there.
 

coral keeper

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Originally Posted by azfishgal
I agree with TX Reef, one reason being is some reefers have realized the corals grow faster in warmer temps 80-83, then when they were keeping the tanks at 78. You find a lot of reefers on here have a temp of 84 during the summer and tanks are running and growing beautifully. I persoanlly go by what works, not just what I have read. My tank stays around 80 and goes up to 82.5-83 at the end of the day, corals, fish, calcium, alk, ph, are all stable.
emm, I have to agree on trying a cheap fan first. I have a bio-cube that gets up to 85 if I don't do anything, the powerhead heats up the water. I now have a small fan blowing across the top (i have the lid open) and the temp will get down to 78. I actually turn the fan off when it gets that low, because like TX Reef, I have tropical fish, not cold water fish.
Well, there is my 2 cents.

Ditto!!! But i keep my temp at 81-82 in the day and 79-80 at night.
 

azfishgal

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Originally Posted by candycane
Just to point out, that is no different then what I said. Around 84-86 is when the temps start altering chemically bonded molecules. Check it out in my post about 4-5 up, right up there.
Well, all I know is my QT was at 85 for a long time and I did not notice any altering chemically bonded molecules in my tank. I'm no scientist though, just going by what my test results were, which was the same at 85 as it was at 78.
I can be completely wrong with this issue and that's ok with me, wouldn't be the first time.
 
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