got a mexican dragon eel today
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shawnlx86
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Originally Posted by AW2x3
That is the true Mexican Dragon...also referred to as the Brazilian Dragon, as you can see.
There is MUCH debate over the common names of these different species. So much, in fact, that it is hard to search for the differences, with online research.
It's not a true "Dragon" species...only the Hawaiian and Japanese are the true "Dragons", but since it has the same type of horns, it's referred to as such.
THANKS AW2X3
how aggressive are these eels and what size do they reach, can they be kept with puffers, triggers and large wrasses.
That is the true Mexican Dragon...also referred to as the Brazilian Dragon, as you can see.
There is MUCH debate over the common names of these different species. So much, in fact, that it is hard to search for the differences, with online research.
It's not a true "Dragon" species...only the Hawaiian and Japanese are the true "Dragons", but since it has the same type of horns, it's referred to as such.
THANKS AW2X3
how aggressive are these eels and what size do they reach, can they be kept with puffers, triggers and large wrasses.
46bfinga
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hey aw2x3,do you know what the scientific name is for this eel.
from what ive read,fenner says that thebrazilian dragon eel will get 24",but then he refers to muraena retifera,which is the reticulated.that eel is definatley not a reticulated ,right?i cant find any good info on that eel.i emailed a couple vendors that specialize in rare predators,im hoping to get some solid info.
from what ive read,fenner says that thebrazilian dragon eel will get 24",but then he refers to muraena retifera,which is the reticulated.that eel is definatley not a reticulated ,right?i cant find any good info on that eel.i emailed a couple vendors that specialize in rare predators,im hoping to get some solid info.
aw2x3
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Originally Posted by SHAWNLX86
THANKS AW2X3
how aggressive are these eels and what size do they reach, can they be kept with puffers, triggers and large wrasses.
I've personally never kept one. I did purchase one, a few months ago, in Florida and tried to bring it back with me. Let's just say it didnt do too well in "carry on" luggage. I was very, very disapointed becuase I searched forever, for one and got one hell of a deal on it.
From the research that I've done, they're not overly aggressive. They're both fish and invert eater and seem to do quite well with other semi-aggressive to aggressive fish.
They'll max out at around 30" long (give or take a few inches).
Originally Posted by 46bfinga
hey aw2x3,do you know what the scientific name is for this eel.
from what ive read,fenner says that thebrazilian dragon eel will get 24",but then he refers to muraena retifera,which is the reticulated.that eel is definatley not a reticulated ,right?i cant find any good info on that eel.i emailed a couple vendors that specialize in rare predators,im hoping to get some solid info.
My personal opinion of Fenner is something left to be desired. I'm not going to get into why I dont like him, because this isnt the place for it. Let's just say I have, on MANY, MANY occasions found his information to be VERY incorrect and his advice horrible.
Scientific name for the Brazilian/Mexican Dragon is Muraena pavonina. You gotta dig around, but you can find it on Fish Base. I'm not sure if we're allowed to post Fish Base links here or not, but I'll go ahead and give it a shot.
Brazilian/Mexican Dragon, according to Fish Base
The scientific name for the Jeweled Moray is Muraena lentiginosa.
They look nothing alike. I'm not even sure how the whole misunderstanding could ever happen. All you have to do is look at each species and you can tell they're nothing alike. Head shape, body shape, mouth shape, etc...it's all different.
THANKS AW2X3
how aggressive are these eels and what size do they reach, can they be kept with puffers, triggers and large wrasses.
I've personally never kept one. I did purchase one, a few months ago, in Florida and tried to bring it back with me. Let's just say it didnt do too well in "carry on" luggage. I was very, very disapointed becuase I searched forever, for one and got one hell of a deal on it.
From the research that I've done, they're not overly aggressive. They're both fish and invert eater and seem to do quite well with other semi-aggressive to aggressive fish.
They'll max out at around 30" long (give or take a few inches).
Originally Posted by 46bfinga
hey aw2x3,do you know what the scientific name is for this eel.
from what ive read,fenner says that thebrazilian dragon eel will get 24",but then he refers to muraena retifera,which is the reticulated.that eel is definatley not a reticulated ,right?i cant find any good info on that eel.i emailed a couple vendors that specialize in rare predators,im hoping to get some solid info.
My personal opinion of Fenner is something left to be desired. I'm not going to get into why I dont like him, because this isnt the place for it. Let's just say I have, on MANY, MANY occasions found his information to be VERY incorrect and his advice horrible.
Scientific name for the Brazilian/Mexican Dragon is Muraena pavonina. You gotta dig around, but you can find it on Fish Base. I'm not sure if we're allowed to post Fish Base links here or not, but I'll go ahead and give it a shot.
Brazilian/Mexican Dragon, according to Fish Base
The scientific name for the Jeweled Moray is Muraena lentiginosa.
They look nothing alike. I'm not even sure how the whole misunderstanding could ever happen. All you have to do is look at each species and you can tell they're nothing alike. Head shape, body shape, mouth shape, etc...it's all different.
unleashed
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Originally Posted by SHAWNLX86
I've heard this issue come up before about there only being 1 true dragon. i have a ? I've seen this eel on another website called a Brazilian Dragon Moray Eel, it has the same horn looking things on it's head as the hawain and japanese dragon. what type of eel is it?
there are many species of eels with the enlongated nostils such as the dragon eel.not all being conciderded the dragon family.these common names are given to boost sales of species the suppliers and lfs owners dont know much about.if you do a search on fishbase for a dragon moray you will find only the hawwian and japanese listed.these are scientificly called as the common name
unlike the mexican/jeweled is concidered common name of white spot moray
Muraena pavonina
Whitespot moray
but if you look up Muraena lentiginosa. in fishbase that name doesnt even exist under scientic names
its not that anyone is accually wrong on some of the names used as a common given its in the world of science they label them as they see them.
I've heard this issue come up before about there only being 1 true dragon. i have a ? I've seen this eel on another website called a Brazilian Dragon Moray Eel, it has the same horn looking things on it's head as the hawain and japanese dragon. what type of eel is it?
there are many species of eels with the enlongated nostils such as the dragon eel.not all being conciderded the dragon family.these common names are given to boost sales of species the suppliers and lfs owners dont know much about.if you do a search on fishbase for a dragon moray you will find only the hawwian and japanese listed.these are scientificly called as the common name
unlike the mexican/jeweled is concidered common name of white spot moray
Muraena pavonina
Whitespot moray
but if you look up Muraena lentiginosa. in fishbase that name doesnt even exist under scientic names
its not that anyone is accually wrong on some of the names used as a common given its in the world of science they label them as they see them.
aw2x3
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Originally Posted by unleashed
there are many species of eels with the enlongated nostils such as the dragon eel.
Well...they're not nostrils...scientists and researchers still dont know what they are. What other species of Morays have the "horns", besides the Brazilian/Mexican, Hawaiian and Japanese? I'd like to see pics.
there are many species of eels with the enlongated nostils such as the dragon eel.
Well...they're not nostrils...scientists and researchers still dont know what they are. What other species of Morays have the "horns", besides the Brazilian/Mexican, Hawaiian and Japanese? I'd like to see pics.
unleashed
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heres my 3 morays i have in my 125 jeweled/mexican lol( eats everything and anything)
yellow barred moray(crustation eater/squid)
unknown black moray.(fish only)he doesnt like shrimp or other crustations
notice in pic one i have a red circle if you loook real close you can see the bodies of my barred and my black intwined together last pic is ED my 3 ft tesselata
yellow barred moray(crustation eater/squid)
unknown black moray.(fish only)he doesnt like shrimp or other crustations
notice in pic one i have a red circle if you loook real close you can see the bodies of my barred and my black intwined together last pic is ED my 3 ft tesselata
sinaloa213
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can u post a pic of the whole tank please
:joy: :joy: :joy: :joy:
unleashed
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Originally Posted by AW2x3
Well...they're not nostrils...scientists and researchers still dont know what they are. What other species of Morays have the "horns", besides the Brazilian/Mexican, Hawaiian and Japanese? I'd like to see pics.
alrightly then
Muraena melanotis
(Honeycomb moray ) http://www.fishbase.org/summary/Spec...ry.php?id=9038
Muraena lentiginosa (took me a bit but i found it)
Jewel moray http://www.fishbase.org/summary/Spec...ry.php?id=8207
Muraena pavonina
Whitespot moray http://www.fishbase.org/summary/Spec...y.php?id=27231
Muraena robusta
Stout moray (this one has small but still a total of 4 ) http://www.fishbase.org/summary/Spec...ry.php?id=7549
Muraena helena
http://www.fishbase.org/Photos/Pictu...9&what=species
seams that majority i have searched so far that have them are of the
Muraena family
Well...they're not nostrils...scientists and researchers still dont know what they are. What other species of Morays have the "horns", besides the Brazilian/Mexican, Hawaiian and Japanese? I'd like to see pics.
alrightly then
Muraena melanotis
(Honeycomb moray ) http://www.fishbase.org/summary/Spec...ry.php?id=9038
Muraena lentiginosa (took me a bit but i found it)
Jewel moray http://www.fishbase.org/summary/Spec...ry.php?id=8207
Muraena pavonina
Whitespot moray http://www.fishbase.org/summary/Spec...y.php?id=27231
Muraena robusta
Stout moray (this one has small but still a total of 4 ) http://www.fishbase.org/summary/Spec...ry.php?id=7549
Muraena helena
http://www.fishbase.org/Photos/Pictu...9&what=species
seams that majority i have searched so far that have them are of the
Muraena family
unleashed
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its hard to tell in a still pic but he does the wild alligator roll when he gets a large peice wild to watch. oh yeh we put the bowl in when we filled the tank to keep the sand from stirring too much but im not putting my hands down there to get it out :scared: lol this last pic is when we first got him you can see how much gurth he has gained
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mopardwh
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Nice!
aw2x3
Active Member
Originally Posted by unleashed
alrightly then
Muraena melanotis
(Honeycomb moray ) http://www.fishbase.org/summary/Spec...ry.php?id=9038
Muraena lentiginosa (took me a bit but i found it)
Jewel moray http://www.fishbase.org/summary/Spec...ry.php?id=8207
Muraena pavonina
Whitespot moray http://www.fishbase.org/summary/Spec...y.php?id=27231
Muraena robusta
Stout moray (this one has small but still a total of 4 ) http://www.fishbase.org/summary/Spec...ry.php?id=7549
Muraena helena
http://www.fishbase.org/Photos/Pictu...9&what=species
seams that majority i have searched so far that have them are of the
Muraena family
Yeah, but we're talking about "horns"...hence the whole subject on the "Dragon" Morays. And why I asked for "horns", not nostrils, in my post that you quoted. There are hundreds of species of Moray that have elongated nostrils.
alrightly then
Muraena melanotis
(Honeycomb moray ) http://www.fishbase.org/summary/Spec...ry.php?id=9038
Muraena lentiginosa (took me a bit but i found it)
Jewel moray http://www.fishbase.org/summary/Spec...ry.php?id=8207
Muraena pavonina
Whitespot moray http://www.fishbase.org/summary/Spec...y.php?id=27231
Muraena robusta
Stout moray (this one has small but still a total of 4 ) http://www.fishbase.org/summary/Spec...ry.php?id=7549
Muraena helena
http://www.fishbase.org/Photos/Pictu...9&what=species
seams that majority i have searched so far that have them are of the
Muraena family
Yeah, but we're talking about "horns"...hence the whole subject on the "Dragon" Morays. And why I asked for "horns", not nostrils, in my post that you quoted. There are hundreds of species of Moray that have elongated nostrils.
unleashed
Active Member
Originally Posted by AW2x3
Well...they're not nostrils...scientists and researchers still dont know what they are. What other species of Morays have the "horns", besides the Brazilian/Mexican, Hawaiian and Japanese? I'd like to see pics.
AW2x3 Quote:I was under the impression that we were talking about two very different things...nostrils and "horns". Guess I was wrong.
ok 4 apendages lol either way you said it alot have elongated nostrils but more than just a couple have 4.also dont forget the species with no photos to match with names who knows there may be more than we know about.. just picked up a tid bit of unerelivant info about the japanese/hawiian dragon do you know they are recorded in 11 parts of the worlds near japan of course hawaii of course but also south coast of africa madeagascar ect.go to fishbase.org and search dragon eel (aka leopard eel) click on bottom of the page marked accurances and go to site map it will pinpoint all recorded accurances of that species.guess now we have to rename it hawiian/japanese/ s.african dragon eel lol
Well...they're not nostrils...scientists and researchers still dont know what they are. What other species of Morays have the "horns", besides the Brazilian/Mexican, Hawaiian and Japanese? I'd like to see pics.
AW2x3 Quote:I was under the impression that we were talking about two very different things...nostrils and "horns". Guess I was wrong.
ok 4 apendages lol either way you said it alot have elongated nostrils but more than just a couple have 4.also dont forget the species with no photos to match with names who knows there may be more than we know about.. just picked up a tid bit of unerelivant info about the japanese/hawiian dragon do you know they are recorded in 11 parts of the worlds near japan of course hawaii of course but also south coast of africa madeagascar ect.go to fishbase.org and search dragon eel (aka leopard eel) click on bottom of the page marked accurances and go to site map it will pinpoint all recorded accurances of that species.guess now we have to rename it hawiian/japanese/ s.african dragon eel lol