Harvesting pods...?

One of my favorite fish is the Marian Goby. However, I know how picky they are about food and only really eat live pods. SoOoOo would it be a possibility to harvested pods in my isolation tank? Most of the time the tank is just sitting there anyways.. If I can do that... How do you harvest pods..?
Either way any info would be appreciated.
 

brandan

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This is done very, very often. Most people set up a Refugium in the sump, or a "hang over back" setup Refuge. In this usually houses some type of Marco Algae, LR, and LS. More times than not, people usually make these to soak up Nitrates in a tank, and to hopefully take up any leftover Phosphates that are in the water. One of the other benefits is that this is a great place to let pods multiply without fish eating them. Instead of having to move pods from your "grow-out" tank to the display tank, the flow will over time send them up to the display tank for your fish to eat. Usually many types of Algae, such as Cheato, will be loaded with pods, thats how most people start they're stock of pods. You can also buy pods from many places online, such as here on swf.com. Sorry if this sounds confusing, someone might be able to make this a little more clear than I. You can make a separate tank to raise pods, and then add them to your Refuge, to stock it up, but a Refuge and LR is usually sufficient for any fish that eats live.
 

shrimpi

Active Member
get a fuge.
either a HOB or a separate tank. Or you can do a standalone fuge and just shake out the cheato into the tank every now and then. You can use the 'soapdish' idea:

you have to have some SAFE place for pods to reproduce without getting eaten. You should also try to find a fish that already eats frozen, or at least live brine so you can start to try and train him to eat prepared food. Many mandarins will clear out your pod population in a matter of weeks, and then they starve.
Check this info out:
""Feeding Methods and Tips
Mandarins fish are methodical predatory grazers that will search every corner and crevice for a tasty morsel. These fish sometimes appear to be tireless in their almost constant pursuit of the small live prey that lives amongst the rock and sand of a healthy and mature reef aquarium. Whenever they find food they will hesitate to look at it, and then strike at it with a bird-like pecking motion.
Because mandarins are slow eaters (and sometimes don't appear to be terribly bright either) it is a good idea to give them as many advantages as possible whenever offering supplemental feedings. One of the first things that should be done before offering any supplemental foods is to temporarily turn off all the pumps. Otherwise, about the time your mandarin makes up its mind to eat a sample of your offering the water pumps will move the food away in the current leaving the mandarin looking a little confused as to what has happened.
If your mandarin shares an aquarium with faster or more aggressive eaters you should try to reduce the competition. One of the ways of doing this is to offer foods that mandarins don't normally eat to the other fish first. Personally, I like to feed small quantities of several types of food at each feeding, so I just offer things like dried seaweed and freeze-dried or flake food first. Once the faster eaters have had something to eat they may not be quite is aggressive. Distributing the foods throughout the tank rather than feeding in one spot will help the slower feeders to get a better share. Once the other fish are occupied eating your prior offerings you can then target feed your mandarin. Concentrated portions of food can be deposited near the mandarin will use of a turkey baster. Sometimes fish will appear to be frightened when approach with a turkey baster. Move the turkey baster slowly toward the mandarin and stop if the fish begins to move away. Fish can become conditioned to associate a turkey baster with feeding if it is used repeatedly, and with a little practice you will get the knack of using one.
Live brine shrimp feeders can be handy little devices for keeping supplemental foods available for mandarins, seahorses, butterflyfish and other slow eaters. Adult live brine shrimp are accessible through the feeding cage. The brine shrimp will stay inside the feeding cage so they will not get caught up in mechanical filtration and the pumps do not have to be turned off during feeding. You can find out more about these ingenious little tools by contacting Urchin Searchin Enterprise, email:Urchsearch@aol.com.
Quarantine
I am a firm believer in preventive measures such as quarantine, but this can be problematic with mandarins. These fish need a constant supply of live foods available for long-term survival. Copepods, primarily of the Harpacticiod species, are the mainstay of this fishes diet, at least in captivity. A large supply of these and other live foods are not usually found in quarantine tanks. If your mandarin happens to be a specimen that quickly acclimates to new foods you may be able to sustain it for couple weeks with supplemental feedings of live brine shrimp, blood worms and other live foods. Even specimens that are slow to accept new foods will usually eat newly hatched baby brine shrimp. Some specimens will learn to accept frozen mysid shrimp, worms, or brine shrimp. Some people report having good luck using Sweetwater™ zooplankton.
Another approach to quarantine with a mandarin fish is to place them in a tank that is used as a food farm. They will quickly begin to decimate the population of these foods, unless your food farm was prepared months ahead of the mandarins arrival. I have a small aquarium that contains live rock and sand that I use to raise copepods, amphipods and other lives foods. I can place a mandarin into this tank for a couple of weeks of isolation. Yes, these little Jewels do require some extra effort and special attention, but they are worth it! Once a mandarin has become established in well-seasoned reef aquarium, they don't demand nearly as much extra effort.""
 

shrimpi

Active Member
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""Accepting new foods
A food farm or a quarantine tank can both make great places to train a mandarin to eat supplemental foods. Here the new acquisition can be offered foods that it is unfamiliar to without competition from other fish. Live foods will form the bulk of what may be accepted as supplemental feedings. It may to take some effort and patience but, training a mandarin to eat new foods is not all that different than with other species such as lionfish. It is not uncommon for recently moved fish to take a few days to settle down in unfamiliar surroundings before they begin to eat.
I have had great success getting mandarins to accept new foods with a graduated method. Feeding mandarins newly hatched live brine shrimp (Artemia salina) makes an excellent first offering. After they have become accustomed to eating newly hatched live brine, begin feeding them live adult brine shrimp and then frozen adult brine shrimp. Most specimens will readily begin eating brine shrimp nauplii. You can also offer live or frozen bloodworms. If you place a mature pair of Peppermint shrimp in your refugium they may reward you by spawning and giving your fish a regular supply of shrimp larvae.
Some live foods such as amphipods, copepods and mysid shrimp are available commercially. xxxx Aquatics offers starter kits with a wide assortment of microfauna or mircoflora that can be placed in a refugium or some other type of food farm. They can be contacted at their Email address: xxxxxxxx@aol.com.
Supplemental feedings
It should be noted that some specimens might not learn to eat supplemental foods. These fish can survive provided there is a dense enough population of more natural foods growing in your reef aquarium. Given enough time, many of them will begin to eat some alternate foods. Supplemental feedings are intended to encourage improved growth, longevity and the likelihood of spawning. Mandarin should not be kept an aquarium were they depend upon supplemental feedings as their primary source of food. Although supplemental feedings may be beneficial, mandarin still need a large population of copepods and other more natural foods to form the bulk of their diet.
There are several advantages to training your mandarin to accept some type of supplemental foods. First, I believe that specimens that will eat some offered or supplemental foods have a better chance of long-term survival. Secondly, the additional variety in their diet may provide them with vitamins and other nutrients that they may not otherwise receive in captivity. Thirdly, supplemental feeding may help ease the demand upon the live foods growing in your aquarium, keeping the density of life food populations high. Starvation is one of the leading causes, if not the leading cause, of death with mandarins in private aquariums and retail outlets. Maintaining good body weight on this species of fish can be a problem for some aquarists, and supplemental feedings can help. Lastly, these foods provide a means of delivery for vitamin and fatty acid supplements that may not otherwise be received.
Dietary supplements
The foods used for every species of fish and invertebrate should either be stored in refrigeration or frozen. Even flake foods retain more food value for longer periods when refrigerated. Don't buy more of any one food than you will use within a couple of months. The fresher the food is the better it is for your animals.
Foods can be soaked in vitamins before feeding them to your fish. One of the most effective methods of delivering additives or enriching foods is by bioencapsulation. Adult live brine shrimp work great for this! Brine shrimp are filter feeders so they will ingest vitamins or foods such as phytoplankton within several hours of placing these additives in their water. First, I put a few drops of Zoe™ vitamins in the brine shrimp water as soon as I get it home. This seems to fortify the brine shrimp and keep them alive for longer. Then I add Selcon™ to the portion of brine shrimp that I intend to use several hours before feeding the fish. Then I simply feed the enriched brine shrimp to my fish.
Summary
Mandarin fish are a bit demanding about the type of system they will do well in and their nutritional requirements. It may seem like a lot of trouble to prepare the right environment for a mandarin far in advance of placing one in an aquarium. These little beauties do have some special requirements and are not for everyone. These fish have a poor survival record because their needs are not usually met in private aquariums, but they are relatively undemanding in the right environment. If you have the patience to plan out an aquarium and meet their needs you will have one of the most beautiful and unusual animals in the world living in your aquarium.""
 
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