help! a little ammonia and nitrite. what to do?

lazypinoy

Member
Originally Posted by lpuzon
i just went to my lfs today, and had my water tested. found out that i have a little of ammonia and nitrite.
don't have any #s, that's just what they told me. tank is 10 mos old, did a water change 5 days ago, ph and trates, is good. i have 1 maroon, 1 heniochus, 2 yellowtail damsels, 1 velvet, 1 regal, and i bought the pakistan. pls help anyone??? :help: :help: :help:

ammonia n nitrites should be kept to 0 and not any higher. use Fritz Zyme #9 to instantly remove nitrites n amonia. it works real good. you can also use it to seed your filter to constantly have nitrifying bacteria workin! 1 big bottle treats 20 gal and is around $10-15$
 

lazypinoy

Member
Originally Posted by jdragunas
please don't add chemicals if you don't have to...

i dont believe fritz zyme # 9 is a chemical. its actually live nitrifying bacteria in a bottle.
 
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lpuzon

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thanks for the info lazypinoy. i might probably consider that, but not yet. maybe my last resort.
ok, so i am done partial water change. i hope it will be better! thanks guys!!!!!!!! :cheer:
 
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lpuzon

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jdragunas said:
i know, he's my fav. fish!
ahahhaha fav fish! sweet! i do too, it's just that he's the meanest one in my tank! and like right now, he's pickin' on the newbie! (pakistan)
 
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lpuzon

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ok guys, my numbers are in! pls help me out with this......

i finally got myself the test kit!

but here are my results:
ph 8.2
ammonia bet .5 to 1
nitrite .5
nitrate between 10 to 20
after 2 consecutive days of partial water changes, the other day (10g) and yesterday (5g), i still have ammonia and nitrite. :mad:
:help: i really really need it......tnx!
 

joncat24

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with those reading I would do about a 15% water change instead of 5. that's only 10 gallons...should not be that bad. do another one and wait for a day or so then test again>IMO
 
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lpuzon

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Originally Posted by joncat24
with those reading I would do about a 15% water change instead of 5. that's only 10 gallons...should not be that bad. do another one and wait for a day or so then test again>IMO

i am doing a 13g water change tonight. i hope this one works now. if not, then probably would go for the good bacteria that i could buy from my lfs. but my lfs said that they cost $30!!! :scared: and, i need 2!!!
i really hope to get out of this one now, because i would really want to put corals already.
what do you guys suggest that could work on 50-50 coral light?
 

lazypinoy

Member
Originally Posted by lpuzon
i am doing a 13g water change tonight. i hope this one works now. if not, then probably would go for the good bacteria that i could buy from my lfs. but my lfs said that they cost $30!!! :scared: and, i need 2!!!
i really hope to get out of this one now, because i would really want to put corals already.
what do you guys suggest that could work on 50-50 coral light?
what kind of bacteria are u getting??? cuz 30$ is crazy!
and u say ur tank is 10moths right? i wonder why ur filter hasnt biologically established already because if it was u wouldnt be having this problem.
 

poniegirl

Active Member
Originally Posted by LazyPinoy
i dont believe fritz zyme # 9 is a chemical. its actually live nitrifying bacteria in a bottle.
Maybe rather than classifying them as chemicals, just additives. Do without them, if you can.
It sounds like your tank is going through a cycle for some reason. The water changes may delay your tank stabilizing. Additives will mask it and put you on a rollercoaster ride.
In a ten month old tank, adding many new fish, it is not terribly surprising. You need to be patient.
We all want our tanks beautiful and I still am amazed if I walk out of the LFS with just mysis! Don't add anymore fish or corals until you know the cycle is past.
 
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lpuzon

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Originally Posted by LazyPinoy
what kind of bacteria are u getting??? cuz 30$ is crazy!
and u say ur tank is 10moths right? i wonder why ur filter hasnt biologically established already because if it was u wouldnt be having this problem.

i dont know...maybe bec in mid summer, i cleaned my wet/dry filter, including my bioballs! it's too late before i knew that it's a NO-NO.

what bacteria? honestly, i don't know. what the lfs told me, it's a good bacteria to take the ammonia and nitrite out. and with my size of tank, i need 2, which is 60 whole dollars!
any suggestions is very much welcome...
 
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lpuzon

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Originally Posted by PonieGirl
Maybe rather than classifying them as chemicals, just additives. Do without them, if you can.
It sounds like your tank is going through a cycle for some reason. The water changes may delay your tank stabilizing. Additives will mask it and put you on a rollercoaster ride.
In a ten month old tank, adding many new fish, it is not terribly surprising. You need to be patient.
We all want our tanks beautiful and I still am amazed if I walk out of the LFS with just mysis! Don't add anymore fish or corals until you know the cycle is past.

i've been done with the cycle, a long time ago..i reckon this all happened when i cleaned my bioballs (they said not a good idea!)
 

poniegirl

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They said that because part of the theory behind that filtration is that the bacteria that help control ammonia, etc. live on the surface of those balls.
The addition of 7 fish in a new tank can set off a cycle. And probably did. More bioload = more waste = more bacteria = cycle. Up ammonia, up nitrite, up nitrate. Each step of the cycle reduces the toxicity of the step before it.
My tank has been cycled for 3 years, and I just went through a mini cycle. I'm not sure why, but it happened.
 

lazypinoy

Member
Originally Posted by lpuzon
i dont know...maybe bec in mid summer, i cleaned my wet/dry filter, including my bioballs! it's too late before i knew that it's a NO-NO.

what bacteria? honestly, i don't know. what the lfs told me, it's a good bacteria to take the ammonia and nitrite out. and with my size of tank, i need 2, which is 60 whole dollars!
any suggestions is very much welcome...

well what brand is it and whats its called? since ur tank isnt "new" id say u could buy one bottle and splash some on your bio balls to boost up ur bacteria colonies. they'll eventually multiply. besure to read the info on the bottle b4 buying. god this hobby is cash drainer huh? i jus wanted a tank for "decorative purposes" instead got pulled into the addiction...well good luck.
 

ophiura

Active Member
IMO, don't blow money on a $30 bottle of bacteria that have been sitting on the shelf. This is good marketing, IMO, and may not be a great deal more. You already have a "seeded" filter. The problem is that at the moment the amount of ammonia you have is greater than the reproductive rate of the bateria. There is a lag time until they catch up, but they will. If you do get one of these products, qt least be sure it is one with an expiration date and is kept chilled. But $30 should get you a couple of pounds of cured LR, which will be a far better investment for long term health.
If you cleaned your bioballs in anything but old tank water (or at least dechlorinated freshly mixed saltwater, you may very well have killed off enough bacteria to cause another cycle. In addition, with recently medicating the tank and a thorough cleaning...
You have quite a few fish in there, IMO. You have to watch feeding closely for sure. I would definitely invest in test kits, and be prepared to do lots of water changes. With the pakistani b'fly and regal (tang or angel?) I would be worried about stressing the fish with these chems.
BTW what were you treating the Kole for? The tank is showing definite signs of some problems I am afraid. Definitely plan on water changes.
 
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lpuzon

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Originally Posted by ophiura
IMO, don't blow money on a $30 bottle of bacteria that have been sitting on the shelf. This is good marketing, IMO, and may not be a great deal more. You already have a "seeded" filter. The problem is that at the moment the amount of ammonia you have is greater than the reproductive rate of the bateria. There is a lag time until they catch up, but they will. If you do get one of these products, qt least be sure it is one with an expiration date and is kept chilled. But $30 should get you a couple of pounds of cured LR, which will be a far better investment for long term health.
If you cleaned your bioballs in anything but old tank water (or at least dechlorinated freshly mixed saltwater, you may very well have killed off enough bacteria to cause another cycle. In addition, with recently medicating the tank and a thorough cleaning...
You have quite a few fish in there, IMO. You have to watch feeding closely for sure. I would definitely invest in test kits, and be prepared to do lots of water changes. With the pakistani b'fly and regal (tang or angel?) I would be worried about stressing the fish with these chems.
BTW what were you treating the Kole for? The tank is showing definite signs of some problems I am afraid. Definitely plan on water changes.

thanks for the response, ophiura!

for starters, i think the one they're selling me is the chilled one. as much as possible, i don't want to buy any sorts of chemical /and or additives in my tank. so i am hoping i could get these down with the 13g water change that i am doing.
the bioballs were rinsed with tap water when i did it. and not just the bioballs, the whole wet/dry filter stuff. i thought at first that it was a good idea, bec that cleared out the return water from below. i nver thought it was such a bad idea...
this is when diatoms started to reappear, and is now covering my CCs. :mad:
the medicine that i used is Mardel's Maroxy, which i did for 5 consecutive days. it was actually for the yellow tang that i had (4" to 5"). ( when i bought him, he already had that red thingy on his top fin, probably a fin rot, not sure) had him for a month, then i believe, he started deteriorating and developed this cottonlike stuff (bacteria or fungus, lfs said). on the second day that he had that, i tried treating him with maroxy, straight in my MT. (dont have a QT yet). 2nd day of treatment he died, and i think the kole (2" to 3") caught it, which died the next day, but went on to finish the 5 day treatment so my other fishes wont get it. (which they didn't , btw :joy: ) after 5-days treatment, waited for 5 more days before i did my 10g water change. i'd had my water tested at the lfs, and said parameters are ok, zero for trate, trite and ammo. it was after a week, when these elements were already traced, and am now fighting it! i already did 10g h2o change the same day i started this thread...did a 5g again, day after that, and a 13g today.
and yes, it's a regal tang that was left, which i keep a close eye on. everybody's fine, including my regal (it's been more than 3 wks since the 2 died).
still keeping my fingers crossed.
thanks everyone! u're all lifesavers! :happyfish :happyfish
 
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lpuzon

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changed my water and all.... checked my water this pm, i still got ammo, trite and trate. any desperate measures? pls? :help:
could it be that my tank is cycling?
 

merredeth

Active Member
Originally Posted by lpuzon
changed my water and all.... checked my water this pm, i still got ammo, trite and trate. any desperate measures? pls? :help:
could it be that my tank is cycling?
What are the present levels?
Denise M.
 
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lpuzon

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Originally Posted by Merredeth
What are the present levels?
Denise M.

i'm afraid it's still the same as the other day...
ammonia bet .5 to 1
nitrite .5
nitrate between 10 to 20
spgh 1.018 (will add salt tomorrow)
salinity 25
 
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