Help!! all my fish are dying

cathy joe

Member
:help: We bought a blue regal a couple of weeks ago and she died after about a week of living in our tank. We thought it died of ick. Then about a week after that we bought two clown fish and they have been doing good so yesterday we went and bought a carpet anemone. after we got it in the tank we both had to go to work. when we got home it looked like both our clown fish had ick and the anemone looked really bad. this being the first one we've had I wasn't sure if it was normal or not. this morning the anemone was dead so we took it and the 2 clown's back to the fish store they said the clowns looked o.k but the anemone was gone. well we get home and one fish died and the other one doesn't look hopeful. Can anyone give us any advice PLEASE!!
 

beth

Administrator
Staff member
Cathy, I'm assuming you are new to the hobby? Can you please post up some info about your tank, like how long have you had it set up, size, type [reef, fish only,etc.?] and post up your water readings.
 

cathy joe

Member
We have a 29 gallon tank, one flaming scallop, one brittle starfish, 2 peppermint shrimp, and our last clown just died. we've had our tank for about a month and 2 week's. our phosphat and our nitrate was up and that's what killed our anemone. we bought some phosgaurd when we were at the fish store this morning and put it in our tank we also did a water exchange. We don't know what else to do.
 

beth

Administrator
Staff member
What about nitrite in the tank??
I have to tell you that you really added way too organisms way too fast for a new tank. A 29 gal aquarium is considered rather small, and, therefore, less stable. Let me give you an example of what I am talking about. When I set up my reef tank, I put in the live sand and the live rock then did not add anything for 2 more mos. When you add life to your tank, the environment must get accostomed to the added life. It has to literally get geared up to hand the extra load of life that it has to support. You have to consider live rook as life too. When you added all the fish, inverts and an anemone, your new little ecosystem just could not take the load.
Do you have any good hobby books to read? I can recommend some good reading, and, of course, staying here and learning will help you become a knowledgable hobbyists. Your first lesson, and most important lesson at that, is PATIENCE. Its the hardest lesson we learn, but it is very important. Patience and knowledge is the only road to satisfaction in this hobby.
 

cathy joe

Member
I just read FAQ on the top, and I can not believe we still have anything living. When we bought our fish tank, etc. The people at the fish store only told us to cycle and so forth. they never said anything about QT or that we only needed to do so much at a time. We've only been doing this for about 1 and a 1/2 month's and we've already spent $700.00 all at the same fish store. $174.00 of that was for a moonlight otherwise it's all on fish, liverocks, etc. We were looking for freshwater fish for the kid's and then we seen saltwater fish and couldn't resist. We were, and apperently still are oblivious to what we are doing. So far all of our fish have died of ich, and our anemone only lived for less than 12 hour's we have a 10 gallon tank will that be o.k for a QT to keep set up. Also why are the peppermint shrimp, brittle starfish and mushroom's doing so good when all the fish keep dying? I will take your advise and read up on everything. Also I am kinda mad at our fish store I kinda feel like they took advantage of us a little bit.
 

cathy joe

Member
I just read were someone else had ick and I believe you said they shouldn't put anymore fish in the tank for about 4 week's. Our fish store told us ick was not catching and 2 day's after our blue regal died sold us 2 clown's. Should we not buy anymore fish for a month? Oh and needless to say both clowns did die I believe they had ick.:confused:
 

daredevil

Member
First off tangs cannot be in a 30 gallon! 75+gallon would be good IMO. Take ur time read books, read this forum, take it slow, don't rush into things. Patience is the #1 most important thing in this hobby( along w/ alot of $$
). I know ur just a newbie, take it slow and welcome to SWF.com and too a great hobby!!!!!
:) :D :happyfish
:jumping:
 

beth

Administrator
Staff member
Cathy, from this point on, don't ask the LFS for ANY advise. They are either irresponsible or ignorant. Ich has a life cycle of 3 wks. Most of that time, the parasite is not even on fish, but IN YOUR TANK. Ich has what we call a "free-swimming" stage where, obviously, the parasite is swimming in your tank water [looking for fish to feed off of]. Knowing this, now you can see how all fish will become infected, sooner or later, if you introduce ich in to a closed system [aquarium]. Ich is highly contagious.
I'm going to recommend two very good books for beginners. Robert Fenner's, "The Conscientious Marine Aquarist", and Anthony Calfo/Robert Fenner's "Reef Invertebrates, an Essential Guide to Selection, Care and Compatibility". Both these books are great, easy reading and outstanding info for all hobbyists, but especially the inexperienced. The first book is a must have for beginners. If you only buy 1 hobby book then make it this one. The emphasis is on "conscientious" and the book places the reader/new hobbyists in the frame of mind to take good care of the animals we place in our tanks as well as make good hobby decisions. It covers A-Z and has very nice pics. The 2nd book is new and is the first in a series of books. It does emphasize invert selection, but it has a wealth of information about how to go about setting up a natural reef tank. It is excellent for someone trying to establish a reef tank. Outstanding pics.
Now to answer your question, yes you now need to leave your tank fishless for a month. Ich is a fish parasite and will die out in a tank without fish. Since the parasites’ life cycle is 3 wks, it should be taken care of within a month.
You can set up a 10 gal QT, a 20 gal long would be better. The bigger the tank, the more stable the environment, the larger the margin for error. However, you can do a 10 gal. If you set up a 10 gal, I would strongly recommend that you stick to small fish. With your size tank, larger fish are out anyway, yes, that includes tangs. A tang in that size tank just is not going to fare well. Tangs need “hard swimming room” which a small tank can not provide. However, clownfish would do well. There are a lot of beautiful reef fish that are on the smaller side and would look great in a small tank, and fare well as well.
What kind of lighting do you have? Anemones require strong lighting, preferably Metal Halide. In any case, placing an anemone in a tank that is just set up just is inappropriate.
Check out the nano forum here for some ideas on how to get started with your tank again. Also, visit the Reef Forum. How do you have the tank setup? Filters, powerheads, skimmer, etc.?
I’m sure you are very frustrated and disappointed right now, but you have come to a good place to get started learning. Don’t be scared off by more knowledgeable hobbyists here, and if anyone shows off by making fun of your lack of knowledge, don’t be afraid to hit the report to mod button. We have little tolerance for show-offs here. This is a place to learn and help out. All of us made some big mistakes when we were new to the hobby; believe me you are not the first to blunder.
 

cathy joe

Member
the free swimming stage of ich, can you see the parisites
the light we just purchased is an Orbit 24hr lighting system with the moon light
randy
 

tbeddies

New Member
Hello all. Cathy Joe, sounds like we may be going to the same store for fish!!

Beth, or someone that can help (I'm new here) I've had my tank for about 2 years now. I've only had a Goby, a peppermint shrimp, and a starfish. I finally decided a few weeks ago to get another one. About 4 weeks ago, I added a butterfly fish. A day or so after I got him, he started acting a little strange, hitting the rocks, etc. So, the fish store said he had parasites so they gave me some medicine and it seemed to clear him up. My water testings were very good, eveything seemed fine. So this week I got a clownfish with an anemone. Well, the day after I put them in there, the butterfly died. Then 2 days later, the clownfish & starfish died. My goby looks like he's about to go (taking really, really deap breaths and not eating). He looks like he might have some signs of ick. I don't have a QT and I really don't trust what the fish store here says to do. What should I do, or what can I do since I have the shrimp and anamone in the tank with the goby?
 
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