Help me upgrade my tank!

shrub125

Member
So i have a 35g aquarium, and its been set up for almost 9 months. I love my aquarium and all, but my the tank itself has seen better days, it has a lot of scratches, and its really old. So i'm upgrading my tank to a 46gallon bow-front, and i hope to use all the equipment i have in my tank already. The question is, how do i transfer everything? will i have to cycle my tank again? I do plan on adding more liverock, does this effect anything? and lastly, i have a yellow wrasse which i recently purchased a few days ago who is hiding in the sand bed (i think....) lol, what do i do, i don't plan on moving it any time this week, but i'm worried about him...
 

dmanatee

Member
I am no expert but I did the following for a move to a new aquarium

1.Get yourself some good buckets/ large plastic tubs.
2. Drain the water into about two tubs of water, pulling the rocks out when you can and place them in the tubs along with the fish.
3. Once your down to just the sand scoop it out and put it into a bucket making sure its wet. (I waited on this step till I found all my little snails hiding in the sand) This is the best time to be searching for your goby. i would leave in about 3 inches of water till you find him
4. Have some new sand already in the bottom of your new aquarium and new saltwater waiting in a container.
5. Add the original sand in with the new sand.
6. Start adding 1/2 the original water (tub or bucket 2 and some of your new water) I like using the plate method to prevent the dust cloud.
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7. At this point you should have about half of the original water in the aquarium. Now depending on how the tank is settling add all your filters and what not and get them going. if the tank is clear then you can probably start adding the live rock. (I am slightly paranoid about things so I do a water test before I proceed)
8. Once everything is good and stable (either drip acclimate the fish to their new environment (preferred) or add the fish and their water to the tank. Then top off with new water.
This method is slightly varied and you might want to wait for some experts, but this method worked for me.
best of luck.
 

deejeff442

Active Member
did you get the bowfront already?personally i dont like them they distort what you are trying to look at.
the other post is pretty good.i would wash the sand from the established tank myself.i dont bother acclimating anything if you are using half the old water .as long as you get the new mixed water to temp.but i am not a paranoid person.
always fun upgrading.my fish supplier sells out of his home ,i was there last weekend he just bought a 450 gallon tank.it was set up but no water yet.fricken hugs .so jealous
 

dmanatee

Member
I found there are two ways to do this.
1. Get yourself a new colander and some cheese cloth. Place the cheese cloth in the colander and place the sand into the cheese cloth. Rinse several times with saltwater till the water comes out clear. (there will always be some particulate)
2. Take a tube or basin and fill it with the sand. Add water and stir/agitate the sand. carefully dump out the dirty water making sure your only pouring out the water. Do this several times till the water comes out mostly clean.
If your just wanting a quick rinse either method will work, just don't repeat the process.
 

deejeff442

Active Member
all i do is put 6-7 inches of sand in a 5 gallon bucket ,take the garden hose blast it in there and stir it up with my hand.wait 5 seconds and spill out the dirty water.do this 3 or 4 times and thats is.you lose the good bacteria in the sand but its alway risky moving sand from one tank to another with disturbing the bacteria.better safe than sorry.
 
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allenk

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I just upgraded from a 55 gallon to a 125 this weekend. I essentially followed the guidance already provided, but would add a couple of things.
The key is to be able to get everything back into the tank as soon as possible and to have the environment between the two tanks not be much of a shock for the occupants. With my move, that was especially important because obviously I needed a lot more water in addition to the 50 gallons or so I could salvage from the 55. What I did was saved water from my water changes. I put that "dirty" water into a new, clean rubber trashcan. I added some freshly mixed RO/DI saltwater into the trash can as well. I collected about 40-50 gallons of water this way. The theory was to create a batch of water that was as close to the parameters of what was already in the tank so that when I put everything into the new tank, there would not be much of a shock.
I did not wash my sand. If you do wish to wash it, I think you would need to wash it with saltwater. However, if you do, you may be washing away a good deal of the good bacteria that is in the sand that will be needed to avoid a spike in ammonia and nitrites.
You are only going to get a spike of ammonia or nitrites if you dramatically reduce the bacteria that was in the tank before, or if you leave your rock and/or sand out and you get die off. I should note that my sand bed was not that deep. Perhaps there may be a difference if you have a much deeper sandbed that you are moving. Mine, at the deepest area was maybe 2-3 inches. Most of the 55 had perhaps an inch.
By the way, after I filled my tank, the water was cloudy. So, used an external filter with polyester matting as a filter media to polish the water. It was crystal clear in a matter of hours. My inhabitants show no signs of stress whatsoever from the move.
If you keep your rocks and sand wet, they bacteria will continue to do its job to eat up the ammonia and nitrates and convert them into nitrates.
 

deejeff442

Active Member
all this is true.but just the rock will be fine for the bio load.even washing the sand in saltwater trying to keep the good bacteria alive will also keep the disturbed waste alive also.this might cause an ammonia spike of its own.with the greater volume of water in the new tank and the same bioload of fish dilution will be broader and the system will keep up with the bioload with just the rocks.the lr is a better home for bacteria anyway since the powerheads move water around,under and over the pores.personally i only like 1 inch of sand in my tanks just enough to cover the bottom.
i rely on lr for all filtration.i run nothing else in any tank except my qt.
 

king_neptune

Active Member
You can just buy a new bag of sand, and use 1 cup from your old tank to seed it. But honestly sand is over rated. Its just a $#(T trap. My next build is sand free.
 

tlsohio

Member
+1 demanatee
I have upgraded two tanks over the years with the help of my local reef friends and I agree with demanatee with some additions.
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Originally Posted by dmanatee http:///forum/thread/381762/help-me-upgrade-my-tank#post_3327321
I am no expert but I did the following for a move to a new aquarium

1.Get yourself some good buckets/ large plastic tubs. +1
2. Drain the water into about two tubs of water, pulling the rocks out when you can and place them in the tubs along with the fish.+1, I'd take the fish out after all the rock is removed and put it in a container of its own.
3. Once your down to just the sand scoop it out and put it into a bucket making sure its wet. (I waited on this step till I found all my little snails hiding in the sand) This is the best time to be searching for your goby. i would leave in about 3 inches of water till you find him +1

4. Have some new sand already in the bottom of your new aquarium and new saltwater waiting in a container. +1, I also saved water from water changes on my other tanks to fill my larger new tank. I stored it in a large garbage can with a power head and when I was ready to use it, I added a heater to make my saved water the same as the DT temp.
5. Add the original sand in with the new sand.
6. Start adding 1/2 the original water (tub or bucket 2 and some of your new water) I like using the plate method to prevent the dust cloud. +1, I like to use a small bucket, submerged, helps to disperse water, more so than the plate.
7. At this point you should have about half of the original water in the aquarium. Now depending on how the tank is settling add all your filters and what not and get them going. if the tank is clear then you can probably start adding the live rock. (I am slightly paranoid about things so I do a water test before I proceed). When I did my upgrades I didn't have many fish, so I moved them to my QT, until my tank cleared and all readings were fine. I added rock right away, any dust that landed on it, I just blew off with a turkey baister.
8. Once everything is good and stable (either drip acclimate the fish to their new environment (preferred) or add the fish and their water to the tank. Then top off with new water.
This method is slightly varied and you might want to wait for some experts, but this method worked for me.
best of luck.
+1, Quote: allenk
The key is to be able to get everything back into the tank as soon as possible and to have the environment between the two tanks not be much of a shock for the occupants. With my move, that was especially important because obviously I needed a lot more water in addition to the 50 gallons or so I could salvage from the 55. What I did was saved water from my water changes. I put that "dirty" water into a new, clean rubber trashcan. I added some freshly mixed RO/DI saltwater into the trash can as well. I collected about 40-50 gallons of water this way. The theory was to create a batch of water that was as close to the parameters of what was already in the tank so that when I put everything into the new tank, there would not be much of a shock.
I did not wash my sand. If you do wish to wash it, I think you would need to wash it with saltwater. However, if you do, you may be washing away a good deal of the good bacteria that is in the sand that will be needed to avoid a spike in ammonia and nitrites. +1, I did not wash the sand on either of my tank upgrades, I also think that you would wash away alot of the beneficial bacteria. After the particulats settle you can always vacuum them off the top of the sand bed, which is what I did.
You are only going to get a spike of ammonia or nitrites if you dramatically reduce the bacteria that was in the tank before, or if you leave your rock and/or sand out and you get die off. I should note that my sand bed was not that deep. Perhaps there may be a difference if you have a much deeper sandbed that you are moving. Mine, at the deepest area was maybe 2-3 inches. Most of the 55 had perhaps an inch. +1
By the way, after I filled my tank, the water was cloudy. So, used an external filter with polyester matting as a filter media to polish the water. It was crystal clear in a matter of hours. My inhabitants show no signs of stress whatsoever from the move. +1, I used a Marineland Magnum 350 with the polishing filter and it worked great.
If you keep your rocks and sand wet, they bacteria will continue to do its job to eat up the ammonia and nitrates and convert them into nitrates.
After both of my tank upgrades, I only noticed a slight raise in ammonia barely noticable, but thought I'd mention it. Within about a week all perameters were perfect. And fish were added a couple weeks later after everything stablized and was recorded by testing. I believe, that because everything was ready to be moved quickly and all was done within a few hours, there was little to no die off and the only disturbance was the sand bed. I wish you the best of luck.
 

shrub125

Member
Okay so i went with a 55 gallon instead, and sorry for not responding, all the help is apprieciated! Me and my dad built a stand for the tank. Dont mind my brother finishing up the wiring lol.

The sand bed on my tank is really messy. I dont want to clean it because i dont want to mess with any of the bacteria, but i was thinking of just putting it through a colander to get rid of all the gunk.
I have a problem though! The tank lights that came with the tank say that they are 'designed for freshwater use only'..... I am only doing a FOWLR tank, will these lights be a problem?
This is just a picture of my current set up.
 

deejeff442

Active Member
lights will be fine .just get new bulbs .no good for corals except maybe shrooms.with those light you might need to change them out a bit more often so algae doesnt become a problem.on my 33 gallon mantis tank i have a cheap one bulb freshwater light .no problems
 

shrub125

Member
So if i use the lights for a bit would that be a problem? im worried that it will make a big algae bloom or something horrible... haha
 

deejeff442

Active Member
its a new tank you will alway get an algae bloom.just keep the lights on for 6-8 hrs to start.
that should help then get a cuc .you will get a bloom,trick is to keep it under some controll untill the tank matures and takes care of it itself
 

shrub125

Member
I'm not starting a new tank, i am just moving everything over :O, i wont have to cycle again will i?
And my plan was to mix 20 gallons of saltwater in the tank, then later add my new sand, then my old sand, then i'll add the old water, and then live rock. Is this okay? I'm worried that i shouldnt be mixing the water in the tank, i just dont have a big enough container
 

deejeff442

Active Member
well you kinda are setting up a new tank.i have moved alot of tanks and they always get a bloom.sometimes alot sometime not.you probably wont get a cycle ,if you do it probably wont do any harm.when i move tanks i like to do a 10-15% water change everyother day for the first week.just piece of mind.
just think when i started out in this hobbie all there was in lighting was what you have now.so dont worry about it.
dont you have any totes you store stuff in like xmass stuff you can empty and use to mix.hell my wife must have 30 of them.i dont like mixind in the dt.sometime you get a film on the glass and its a pain to get off.
i would think once you have the new water mixed and up to temp you should be able to get the new set up running in a few hours.i moved my 250 from another house 10 miles away and had it running in i think it was around 6 or 7 hours.just need to have a plan and be organised.
 

shrub125

Member
Thanks for the help! The problem is i only have one 5 gallon bucket for mixing >.<. My only options are to mix four 5 gallon buckets one at a time, or mix it all in the tank. When i mix it, do i have to mix & aerate it for 2 days? Because that would take a long time to mix 20 gallons :/.
 

deejeff442

Active Member
if you have no choice then mix it in the dt.just add the salt over time like a day.get as much water moving as possible and put the heater in it.just going to be a mess when you add the sand.it will be alot less mess if you pre rinse the sand.as for cleaning the old sand a colander wont work as the holes are too big.just put the sand in a bucket .i use a garden hose as i dont care about saving bacteria.then add water stirring up the sand till the water is dirty.let it settle for 5 seconds and pour out the dirty water.do this untill the water is clean.
 
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