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big911dog
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mandarins can also fight to the death, especially in close quarters. dont mix them (including psychadelics).
sjgsm
Member
Originally Posted by taznut
my 2cents worth... u asked if they would survive... renogaw was pointing out that 2 probably wont in a 30 gallon, which i agree with...
Actually you might wanna re-read what I asked. "Are these even worth acclimating?" so you might what to learn how to read before you speak.
my 2cents worth... u asked if they would survive... renogaw was pointing out that 2 probably wont in a 30 gallon, which i agree with...
Actually you might wanna re-read what I asked. "Are these even worth acclimating?" so you might what to learn how to read before you speak.
jabo
New Member
I have'nt been around these forums much but I'd be willing to bet nobody is issuing a derogatory statement towards you or your 30 gallon. It appears to me that everyone is trying to help you out. I'd take what good i get out of it and go..plus, it sounded to me like he might have known a little of what he was talking about..quit nitpikn, causing problems and appreciate what you got for free from this Forum.
michaeltx
Moderator
These fish have a poor survival rate in small tanks. The people that have brought this up has very good points and do not want you to make a mistake that will cost you and your fish a lot of stress and possibly crash your tank.
The madarins that you are talking about living are probably eating frozen foods. Alot of them will not accept frozen foods so in a small tank they slowly starve to death. The only way to know is to see them eat and you can t do that mail order. I suggest you research alittle more before you reorder more of these gorgeous fish. I have one in my 58 and the only reason that I do is that I PERSONALLY SAW this fish eat before I purchased it O and because it so hard to get them to eat prepared foods I paid more for it than what I could have for it online.
Please do some more reasearch and dont take anything as a personal attack thats not what it is.
Mike
The madarins that you are talking about living are probably eating frozen foods. Alot of them will not accept frozen foods so in a small tank they slowly starve to death. The only way to know is to see them eat and you can t do that mail order. I suggest you research alittle more before you reorder more of these gorgeous fish. I have one in my 58 and the only reason that I do is that I PERSONALLY SAW this fish eat before I purchased it O and because it so hard to get them to eat prepared foods I paid more for it than what I could have for it online.
Please do some more reasearch and dont take anything as a personal attack thats not what it is.
Mike
sjgsm
Member
ok Michael... "
no answer yet either..." shouldnt be taken as a personal attack? who would not that as a personal attack... you can sense the sarcasm in the wording and the smile. he could have simply said no answer yet. but he added the smile and the "either..." like I was just trying to hide from this subject. So please don't try to tell me how to perceive something being said to me.
michaeltx
Moderator
first its on a computer screen and what you perceive may not have been the intent at all.
from what i see looking at the times each post was posted is that you were real active for awhile and then kinda dropped off. I am not sure what the true meaning was behind it but remember emotions do not come through the computer or even syntax that would give you a better idea . take things in stride on the net and look at things objectively or alot of things on the net will start to take there toll on you.
IMO
mike
from what i see looking at the times each post was posted is that you were real active for awhile and then kinda dropped off. I am not sure what the true meaning was behind it but remember emotions do not come through the computer or even syntax that would give you a better idea . take things in stride on the net and look at things objectively or alot of things on the net will start to take there toll on you.
IMO
mike
1journeyman
Active Member
SJGsm, I hope you didn't take my comment as hostile.
These are beautiful fish. Many many people buy them... If you look closely at their mouth structure you'll see they have tiny mouths. They are built for pod eating. They feed slowly. Even if you get one that has adapted to eating frozen (which as Mike pointed out is incredibly rare) you also have to keep in mind that they feed far more slowly. They will not compete for food well in a reef environment.
I'm sure you will hear success stories.... Please keep in mind that you don't often hear the abyssmal failures. 2 of these fish in a 30 gallon is almost certain to fail.
These are beautiful fish. Many many people buy them... If you look closely at their mouth structure you'll see they have tiny mouths. They are built for pod eating. They feed slowly. Even if you get one that has adapted to eating frozen (which as Mike pointed out is incredibly rare) you also have to keep in mind that they feed far more slowly. They will not compete for food well in a reef environment.
I'm sure you will hear success stories.... Please keep in mind that you don't often hear the abyssmal failures. 2 of these fish in a 30 gallon is almost certain to fail.
sjgsm
Member
Originally Posted by 1journeyman
SJGsm, I hope you didn't take my comment as hostile.
These are beautiful fish. Many many people buy them... If you look closely at their mouth structure you'll see they have tiny mouths. They are built for pod eating. They feed slowly. Even if you get one that has adapted to eating frozen (which as Mike pointed out is incredibly rare) you also have to keep in mind that they feed far more slowly. They will not compete for food well in a reef environment.
I'm sure you will hear success stories.... Please keep in mind that you don't often hear the abyssmal failures. 2 of these fish in a 30 gallon is almost certain to fail.
Oh no it wasnt you... not at all I understand... it was reno's comment thats annoyed me
SJGsm, I hope you didn't take my comment as hostile.
These are beautiful fish. Many many people buy them... If you look closely at their mouth structure you'll see they have tiny mouths. They are built for pod eating. They feed slowly. Even if you get one that has adapted to eating frozen (which as Mike pointed out is incredibly rare) you also have to keep in mind that they feed far more slowly. They will not compete for food well in a reef environment.
I'm sure you will hear success stories.... Please keep in mind that you don't often hear the abyssmal failures. 2 of these fish in a 30 gallon is almost certain to fail.
Oh no it wasnt you... not at all I understand... it was reno's comment thats annoyed me
hoya
New Member
Originally Posted by SJgsm
Are these even worth acclimating? I just recieved a shipment and neither one is moving. Obvious discoloration and horrible smell coming from their bags. I've heard about stress but this seems alittle passed that. Please help
Are they worth acclimating?
NO
Even without the smell & discoloration, just looking at your fish it is clear that they are deceased. The one on the left is obviously decomposing. The one one the right has recently died & it was most certainly caused by the spike from the fish on the left.
No need for anyone to argue about your ability to support them.
Seems they passed before they hit your tank...
Some opinions should have been held back until you asked why they are dead after a month or two.
Hoya
Are these even worth acclimating? I just recieved a shipment and neither one is moving. Obvious discoloration and horrible smell coming from their bags. I've heard about stress but this seems alittle passed that. Please help
Are they worth acclimating?
NO
Even without the smell & discoloration, just looking at your fish it is clear that they are deceased. The one on the left is obviously decomposing. The one one the right has recently died & it was most certainly caused by the spike from the fish on the left.
No need for anyone to argue about your ability to support them.
Seems they passed before they hit your tank...
Some opinions should have been held back until you asked why they are dead after a month or two.
Hoya
puffer32
Active Member
I think people wanted to let the poster know, in case he didn't, that mandrins need more then he can give them, and in warning him, he won't reorder them. (why make a sad thing sadder and have the next ones starve to death) Shame they died in shipping, love these little guys
michaeltx
Moderator
I understand what you all are saying, but SJgsm said "I would'nt have minded buying pods on a regular basis " that might get to be a pain after awile ,but wouldnt it be enough food?
No they may be small fish but they do eat alot alwyas grazing on what they find on the rocks and sand. even though mine eats frozen mysis he still eats off the rocks all the time. pods will also run and hide quickly when they are added to the tank so the less amount of pods the harder it will be for them to find them to survive. Thats why the minium tank and rock suggestions are made.
mike
No they may be small fish but they do eat alot alwyas grazing on what they find on the rocks and sand. even though mine eats frozen mysis he still eats off the rocks all the time. pods will also run and hide quickly when they are added to the tank so the less amount of pods the harder it will be for them to find them to survive. Thats why the minium tank and rock suggestions are made.
mike
renogaw
Active Member
wow, looks like i sparked a controversy.
ok, really didn't mean to upset you. the
was cause 1journeyman confirmed i asked a good question. the other was because you had posted like 4 posts in less than 10 mins, then over half an hour didn't respond to one. I'm sorry you lost fish, mainly because i can't stand to see them die. I would though love to know if the shipper put the two of them in the same bag... it would explain the damaged look to them both.
i offered my opinion to try to save you some money, and to save some more mandarin's lives. if you don't want to take it, i apologize for getting off topic like you said.
ok, really didn't mean to upset you. the
i offered my opinion to try to save you some money, and to save some more mandarin's lives. if you don't want to take it, i apologize for getting off topic like you said.
cjml
Member
Originally Posted by SJgsm
Are these even worth acclimating? I just recieved a shipment and neither one is moving. Obvious discoloration and horrible smell coming from their bags. I've heard about stress but this seems alittle passed that. Please help
Pitiful pitiful-very sad.....I hate that this happens to fish....
Are these even worth acclimating? I just recieved a shipment and neither one is moving. Obvious discoloration and horrible smell coming from their bags. I've heard about stress but this seems alittle passed that. Please help
Pitiful pitiful-very sad.....I hate that this happens to fish....
trainfever
Active Member
To answer your question, no, I dont think they will make it. Also even if they do survive, they will die eventually. What you will be buying are copepods. Mandarins dont eat copepods, the eat amphipods. Copepods are almost invisible to the human eye. Amphipods are the pods we normally see in our tanks. Amphipods eat copepods. Another thing is that most people tend to exaggerate when rying to make a point, especially when it comes to doing things that most people cant do. Case in point, people saying they kept a mandarin in a small tank for a year before it died when others couldnt do it. The fact is they probably had it for 3 or 4 months before it died, and the most important fact of all is that the fish still died. So whether the fish surives for 4 months or a year, it will still starve to death. It will just take longer if it lasts a year.
sjgsm
Member
lol... gets rather annoying... Theres a reason I didn't ask for your opinion... I had 2 psych mandarins in a 35 gallon with less rock for about 7ish months... they didn't die and were plenty fat. I eventually moved and didn't plan on having a fish tank so I sold them to the LFS. So sorry you can tell me all you want about them not surviving in smaller tanks but when the experience was my own.... don't bother