Help with flowerpot

aquageek

Member
2 weeks ago I purchased a gorgeous fluorescent yellow flower pot coral. I was told by the lfs that it was not too difficult to keep. I have done some research and have found the opposite.
It is doing well for now. Opens up fully and is quite big in size.
The only concern I have is that a few of the polyps have a brownish color to them. Is this a bad thing? Is it irreversible? Is it some kind of bacterial infection?
here are the stats of my tank
55g
260w pc
temp 79
ph 8.3
am 0
nit 0
nitrat 0
spec grav 1.025
calc 400
 

matty0h_52

Member
Well sorry to tell you but you got taken for a ride. Try to research something more before you buy it. I would take it back!
If you want to keep it you better start doseing the tank with DT's and spot feeding with cyclopeze. If you do a search for flower pot coral or Gonipora- Theres to many posts about the samething you going through
 

danedodger

Member
Oh dear! Yes, I'd take the poor thing back and SMACK the guy that sold it to you for being an IDIOT! They say that these guys don't usually survive in our aquariums because we just don't know enough about them yet but best results have been achieved (not meaning that they LIVED, just they did BETTER than those without) by trying to imitate their natural environment as closely as possible.
1. Water quality must be pristine and fluctuate from that condition as little as possible! That MIGHT mean very careful filtration, never overfeeding, frequent smaller water changes, and a very low bioload (fewer fishies). No phosphates!
2. They recommend a salinity of about 1.025-1.026.
3. Temp: Average natural reefs range from about 78-86F and the book I'm taking info from highly suggests 81-84F for tank temps.
4. Trace elements: Can be tough to determine because they haven't been studied enough in the wild. Iodine, molybdenum, and iron are probably sufficient with proper water changes. Strontium is sometimes used by aquarists but, in this author's opinion, is unhealthy.
5. Lighting is highly important! If an animal is used to low light conditions then put in a tank with very bright lights it harms it. If they need high light, are used to low light, and are suddenly put in high light it harms it. And the opposite of all of that is also true. Generally speaking if an animal is LOSING color moving it GRADUALLY into a brighter lighting area may reverse damage, but only generally speaking.
6. Water movement is also very important and in some species doggone hard to replicate properly in a tank. Some types need a high level of water movement but won't tolerate point source water movement like from our commonly used powerheads. Instead they need the more natural water movement of the waves, the WHOLE BODY of water moving as one. I suspect that may be true in this particular case but hopefully someone who knows more firsthand will come along for you.
This is all info out of a really good book on reef inverts, not my own knowledge or opinion at all, so if anyone can add some pertinent experience, fantastic! Hopefully something in here will help others with this kind of dilemna.
 

matty0h_52

Member
well put Dane
and thats just the beggining im shure we can go into even greater detail but i will spare this thread, and your poor eyes, plus theres tuns of threads out in saltwaterfish.com world that go into more detail. if you new the species of gonipora (i hope thats the right terminology) it was in i guess i could look it up real quick for you and give you more detail
 

danedodger

Member
Well, matty, the "flowerpot coral" referred to in this particular book is Goniopora djboutiensis but we can't be sure that that is the proper species of what Aquageek actually has or not :thinking: Aquageek says it's a "gorgeous fluorescent yellow flower pot coral". The picture in the book isn't yellow at all but a central purplish thing with lots of little off white "fingers" around it that look almost like a tiny bubble tip (each little polyp looks like a little flower and IS quite gorgeous). Granted though, there may be color variations just due to differences in individual animals, lighting, etc.
 

aquageek

Member
Thanks guys. I have been adding oyster eggs......to help feed it. Email me the website. I hate to see it die. It is so gorgeous compared to the "other" ones the lfs had. Any how, I did do some research on flowerpots and got mixed messages.....some say difficult, some say moderately difficult etc. hmmmmm I guess time will tell and extra tlc
{Edit: Please do not discuss other online stores, Thanks}
 

promisetbg

Active Member
"Pristine water conditions" is not what gonioporas like.On the contrary...they actually do better in "dirtier" conditions.Feed it cyclop-eeze, Piscine mysis, a little selcon would'nt hurt either.IMO phytoplankton will not benefit this coral.The oyster eggs are good,and see if you can find a food called Coral vibrance.Feed it directly by using a feeding tube or turkey baster,not just adding food to the water.You did not list a value for PH or Alk...??
Can you get a pic of the brown area?
 

ophiura

Active Member
Originally Posted by matty0h_52
if you wanna know a good sight give me your email and i will send you a link

Please do not post requesting emails to send links to other sites.
 

mudplayerx

Active Member
Originally Posted by promisetbg
"Pristine water conditions" is not what gonioporas like.On the contrary...they actually do better in "dirtier" conditions.Feed it cyclop-eeze, Piscine mysis, a little selcon would'nt hurt either.IMO phytoplankton will not benefit this coral.The oyster eggs are good,and see if you can find a food called Coral vibrance.Feed it directly by using a feeding tube or turkey baster,not just adding food to the water.You did not list a value for PH or Alk...??
Can you get a pic of the brown area?
You are correct and I have to disagree with Dane. Flowerpots like turbid water conditions with lots of sediment floating around. This would indicate that they like a higher water flow as well.
Phyto will benefit this coral, but the MUST have meaty foods as well. Among the favorite of mine are squid guts, squid flesh, squid eggs, clam flesh, fish eggs, clam eggs. They do not seem to like fish flesh that much.
You have to spot feed them every three days. It is very time consuming and sometimes irritating. If you are unable or unwilling to spen about an hour+ feeding these corals at least once every three days, I recommend that you try to return them to the store.
I also disagree that these corals are not suited for aquariums. I think they are unsuitable for aquariums that have owners that do not want to take the ridiculous amount of time necessary in taking care of them. Right now my girlfriend and I alternate feeding them so I only have to spend about 2 hours a week feeding (two flowerpots). I imagine if I didn't have her help, that I wouldn't have the desire either.
ps- do the brown areas look like growth or deterioration? If not I wouldn't worry too much. I have a yellow flowerpot with brown areas and I believe that is just where the zooxanthellae algae are concentrated.
 

danedodger

Member
As I said, I was giving general info from a book (I don't have any experience with these guys myself). I'm glad someone came along with first hand experience with these who could give more specifics!!! :jumping:
I can already tell you that this is one species that I won't be getting. They're just too tough and I doubt I'd enjoy them enough to make all the hassle worthwhile especially when there's so many other gorgeous critters out there
 

mudplayerx

Active Member
Originally Posted by DaneDodger
As I said, I was giving general info from a book (I don't have any experience with these guys myself). I'm glad someone came along with first hand experience with these who could give more specifics!!! :jumping:
I can already tell you that this is one species that I won't be getting. They're just too tough and I doubt I'd enjoy them enough to make all the hassle worthwhile especially when there's so many other gorgeous critters out there

Hope I didn't come off as a creep saying "I disagree with Dane" like some sort of haughty professor lol. Stuff comes out so wrong when you type it sometimes.
 

danedodger

Member
We're totally cool, Cpt!!
I sure as heck don't know everything! I try to only give out good info but if I get it wrong or someone just wants to have a friendly debate over a point I would sure hope they'd speak up for everyone's sake
 

littlebuck

Active Member
Well i went to my lfs and i was told the same thing about the flower pot. not knowing what i was getting in to he said they are easy to take care of and very hardy. Well i guess i was wrong and so was he. IF aonyone can help me out i would appricate it. I was thinking about tanking it back but my wife really likes it. So If anyone can help me out on what to do i would appricate it. Also i attached a pic of mine
 

littlebuck

Active Member
Well i talked to my friends at one of the LFS and he told me that i should try to bring it back and also showed me a good book that said they were one of the hardest to take care of so i called the other LFS. I asked him why they would tell me it was easy to take care of and very hardy? He said that it is very easy to take care of and they sell them all the time. I said i talked to some people on here and also some friends that have been dealing with reefs and SW for many years and they said it was a hard one to care for and even keep. Then he told me that people dont know what they are talkgni about and he has been dealing with these for years and has had no problems with them. So i asked him tomake a deal with me. I said i would buy the coral fro him and if he could keep it in his tank for a month i would give him $100 and he told me He didnt want to. So that tells me he was wrong but didnt care about me or anything he sells me. So i will not be gonig there anymore. Guess its just the one lfs that i will go to since they know what they are doing.
 
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