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grays4jc

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I am very new to saltwater tanks. My nitrate levels are not right. Have done several water changes, doesn't help. Not getting much help from local fish store either. Is there something I can put in the water to level this out? I have lost xenia, and other things because of this.
 

flower

Well-Known Member
Originally Posted by grays4jc
http:///forum/post/3035726
I am very new to saltwater tanks. My nitrate levels are not right. Have done several water changes, doesn't help. Not getting much help from local fish store either. Is there something I can put in the water to level this out? I have lost xenia, and other things because of this.
Okay...take a deep breath.
1st. How high, and what are the other numbers?
What is the stock list that you have in the tank and how long have you had it up?
 

grays4jc

New Member
My tank has been up about a year. I have live rock, 1 blue tang, 2 clownfish, a hermit crab, about 1 inch of sand. It's 75 gallon. Everytime I test, it's on the high side. My local store said partial water change, doesn't help. I've lost an urchin because it wasn't right. What do I do?
 

flower

Well-Known Member
Originally Posted by grays4jc
http:///forum/post/3035730
My tank has been up about a year. I have live rock, 1 blue tang, 2 clownfish, a hermit crab, about 1 inch of sand. It's 75 gallon. Everytime I test, it's on the high side. My local store said partial water change, doesn't help. I've lost an urchin because it wasn't right. What do I do?
What causes nitrate spikes??? When fish go poo or something dies, it results in ammonia first then it turns to nitrates and nitrites as it is broken down. The filter and water changes should carry it away.
What kind of filtration do you have?
 

spanko

Active Member
Just to chime in here. You need to give us more information in order for us to give you some advice.
What are your parameters please list;
Ammonia
Nitrite
Nitrate
Please also tell us the following;
How much live rock.
What do you use for mechanical filtration be specific please
What do you use for chemical filtration be specific please
How ofter do you clean the mechanical filter pads, floss etc.
How often do you change the chemical filtration.
How oten and how much do you feed the tank.
Do you have a clean up crew and what does it consist of
Are there any other problems like unwated algae or bacteria growth, cloudy water etc.
I know that sounds like a lot but it helps to know your system.
 

flower

Well-Known Member
Originally Posted by grays4jc
http:///forum/post/3035744
I have 2 big filters going. I clean and change them regularly.
2 big whats...canisters, hang on the back...what type of filters?
Oh and nitrates did not kill the Xenia, they love nitrates and feed on them. High Nitrates will kill inverts. Again how high is high?
P.S.
Spanko...am I glad to see you! I didn't see your post until after I post mine...You are the expert, and this person needs more than I can offer.
 

grays4jc

New Member
OK a little overwhelmed here. I'm very ignorant to all of this. I have 1 filter that hangs on the back of the tank, and 1 canister. I checked all levels today and they are ok, go figure. What is the difference between mechanical and chemical filtration? (told you I was new to this!) I clean the filters I have about once a month. I don't have a clean up crew. I've been afraid to put anything else in there. What would recommend? As I said earlier, I have live rock about 50lbs, I have a 75g tank. I feed the fish I have 1x a day. I have a little pink algae, but it's not out of control. I would appreciate any advice at all, thank you so much!!!
 

meowzer

Moderator
And what do you feed your fish, and how much of it do you give them?
Also, if you re-read Mr. Spanko's post....please answer the questions he listed
It is not easy to help or gie advice w/o all the information...
You did say you have had your tank for ONE year...that's not VERY new....what have you been doing up till now..??
 

spanko

Active Member
Originally Posted by grays4jc
http:///forum/post/3035822
OK a little overwhelmed here. I'm very ignorant to all of this. I have 1 filter that hangs on the back of the tank, and 1 canister. I checked all levels today and they are ok, go figure. What is the difference between mechanical and chemical filtration? (told you I was new to this!) I clean the filters I have about once a month. I don't have a clean up crew. I've been afraid to put anything else in there. What would recommend? As I said earlier, I have live rock about 50lbs, I have a 75g tank. I feed the fish I have 1x a day. I have a little pink algae, but it's not out of control. I would appreciate any advice at all, thank you so much!!!
Been into it for about a year? Seems like you have enough experience in this then that some of these questions should be just about common knowledge to you but let's just move on.
Mechanical filtration are the canister and the hon on the back filter. They mechanically clean the water by taking out any large particle floating in the water and return the filtered water back. However if you are only cleaning them "about once a month" they may be accumulating detritus, read fish poop uneaten food and other nasties here, that are decaying and causing elevated nitrates. I am a bit confused with this though because you said originally "My nitrate levels are not right" but did not explain what that meant. In your latest post you said "I checked all levels today and they are ok". What do it mean????
but let's move on.
Chemical filtration are are some of the things that might be in your mechanical filters that clean and polish the water. Chemical filtration is provided by carbon or chemical resins that extract toxins from the water. Activated filter carbon will aggressively remove chemicals from your water until the carbon becomes saturated. It is very important that any activated filter carbon in your filtration system be changed often. Chemi pure, Purigen are among other chemical filters that will do some more toxin and chemicals from the tank. Do you have any of this? Are you changing it out often enough?
A clean up crew in the tank is one very important aspect you seem to be missing. Snail will move around your tank and eat uneaten food, fish poop, live and dead algae and other decaying organic matter that will, if left alone, foul the water. If your fish are living, and they seem to be from your description, then I suggest you get aggressive about obtaining a clean up crew. Nassarius and Cerith snails to move in and through the sandbed, Trochus-Nerite-Turbo snails to move around on the rockwork and glass.
Water changes are also an important aspect to the husbandry of your tank. For beginners most recommendations will be to change out 10% of your water weekly. In your case around 6-7 gallons. This helps to dilute bad things in the water and to replenish good things that have been used up by your inhabitants.
Again I am confused by your statements as listed above as to whether or not you have a problem, other than an underdeveloped understanding of aquarium keeping. For now I will stop with my long winded post and suggest you obtain some reading material on keeping a saltwater aquarium and read it for a better understanding of the process.
I would also suggest you continue to ask questions here as there are many experienced reef keepers that can help you along.
And by the way
 

grays4jc

New Member
I'm sorry I've been so confusing. Let me try again, I had a sea urchin that died. I called the fish store where I purchased him and asked what may have caused this. They said nitrate/nitrite levels may be too high. I checked and yes they were. I ended up doing 2 partial water changes and still couldn't get levels right. I got frustrated and just left it alone. The few fish that I have seemed to be doing fine and as I said earlier I was afraid to put anything else in there. Just for giggles I checked levels again today and everything was good. So I need to clean filters more often than I do, right? And replace them how often? The fish that I have I feed brine, do I need to alternate between that and flake? Again apologies for being so confusing and thank you so much for your help, it is greatly appreciated.
 

flower

Well-Known Member
Originally Posted by grays4jc
http:///forum/post/3036047
I'm sorry I've been so confusing. Let me try again, I had a sea urchin that died. I called the fish store where I purchased him and asked what may have caused this. They said nitrate/nitrite levels may be too high. I checked and yes they were. I ended up doing 2 partial water changes and still couldn't get levels right. I got frustrated and just left it alone. The few fish that I have seemed to be doing fine and as I said earlier I was afraid to put anything else in there. Just for giggles I checked levels again today and everything was good. So I need to clean filters more often than I do, right? And replace them how often? The fish that I have I feed brine, do I need to alternate between that and flake? Again apologies for being so confusing and thank you so much for your help, it is greatly appreciated.

I told you Spanko would know!
What he wants are the numbers, not "it is bad or it is good"...he wants and needs the numbers you are getting from your tests. If you are using strip tests, and it sounds like you are...get rid of them, and get a good marine master test kit. They will give you the numbers so you know how high and how low.
I am afraid chemistry 101 is necessary for keeping a saltwater fish tank.
Indeed Welcome to the forum!
P.S.
A one year old tank does not have enough good algae to feed an urchin...it most likely starved to death. Never trust the LFS for info...double and triple chack everything they tell you to do...before you do anything they say.
 

spanko

Active Member
Alternating food is always a good idea for balance. Get yourself some algae sheets for the tang and also some different frozen foods for all. A good assortment allows you to alternate feeings.
Feeding does not have to be everyday. I and a lot of others feed every other day. Just enough so that the fish eat everything within a minute or two so nothing falls to the bottom to rot. Yes more aggressive water changes and each time a cleaning of the filters will help. Get yourself a turkey baster, nice new one only for the tank, and at each water change/filter clean, just before you do it take the baster and blow gently on the rocks to loosen up accumulated detritus and get it into the water column for removal.
Can't tell you how often to clean and replace filtration media without knowing what you are using. I replace filter floss daily. But that's me.
 

meowzer

Moderator

Originally Posted by Flower
http:///forum/post/3036052

I told you Spanko would know!
What he wants are the numbers, not "it is bad or it is good"...he wants and needs the numbers you are getting from your tests. If you are using strip tests, and it sounds like you are...get rid of them, and get a good marine master test kit. They will give you the numbers so you know how high and how low.
I am afraid chemistry 101 is necessary for keeping a saltwater fish tank.
Indeed Welcome to the forum!
P.S.
A one year old tank does not have enough good algae to feed an urchin...it most likely starved to death. Never trust the LFS for info...double and triple chack everything they tell you to do...before you do anything they say.


I have 3 urchins in my 225g and it has had water in it since July 08...Not quite a year, and all are doing fine....
 

grays4jc

New Member
Yes, I am using tests strips. As of now they are gone. I have learned more today than in the last year of going back and forth to the fish store. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR ALL THE HELP!!! And for the welcomes. I will get some snails. And learn chem 101. Thank you again.
 

meowzer

Moderator
Originally Posted by grays4jc
http:///forum/post/3036066
Yes, I am using tests strips. As of now they are gone. I have learned more today than in the last year of going back and forth to the fish store. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR ALL THE HELP!!! And for the welcomes. I will get some snails. And learn chem 101. Thank you again.
I HATE CHEMISTRY
 

flower

Well-Known Member
Originally Posted by meowzer
http:///forum/post/3036061
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I have 3 urchins in my 225g and it has had water in it since July 08...Not quite a year, and all are doing fine....
JMO
You have enough algae for them. It is the same with the starfish...some tanks have just what they need to survive and others just don't. If you have algae an urchin will clean it to the bare rock. They clean algae till nothing is left.
Also a 225g is large enough that it would take them awhile to cover all of it. Giving algae a chance to grow back and constantly feed them. So you did good!

I think this fellows urchin starved, his tank is way too new and much smaller than yours.
 

meowzer

Moderator
Originally Posted by Flower
http:///forum/post/3036155
JMO
You have enough algae for them. It is the same with the starfish...some tanks have just what they need to survive and others just don't. If you have algae an urchin will clean it to the bare rock. They clean algae till nothing is left.
Also a 225g is large enough that it would take them awhile to cover all of it. Giving algae a chance to grow back and constantly feed them. So you did good!

I think this fellows urchin starved, his tank is way too new and much smaller than yours.
Yes, his tank is smaller, but he said it's been up for a year
 
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