Here's a shocker: A Politician lied

[reefraff]

If that video is trying to make a point they would do better to remove all the stupid images and moronic cuts and just make their point, I love seeing new perspectives on subjects but give me the straight story without the art or what ever they think that is. I suppose if you were loaded it would make more sense

 

[uneverno]

Ok, fair enough. I thought you were inviting a discussion, rather than seeking affirmation of your viewpoint. My mistake.
The video is 2 hours long, and you responded 31 mins after I posted the link with a glib criticism of the production. You haven't yet gotten to the point.
I also didn't post it as fact, but as an opinion, and asked for a response.
If you either can't be bothered to check it out, or your attention span is too short, that's ok.
If I thought it was worth it, I'd see if I could find the Cliff Notes for you, but frankly, I don't see the point.
By all means, keep voting partisan. R = good therefore D = bad. There are clearly no other possibilities or options.
Lemme know how that works out for you in 25 years.

 

[stdreb27]

Originally Posted by ironeagle2006
http:///forum/post/3039149
Who would be Crazy enough to FOOL around with Pelosi. I would not touch her with a 10 meter CATTLE prod. Anyone that wants For having Unlawful Carnal Knowledge of her is fine by me however I will stick with my wife.
well I mean look at monica. How could that be the best clinton could have gotten?

 

[ironeagle2006]

Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/3039714
well I mean look at monica. How could that be the best clinton could have gotten?
Well Monica was am IMPROVEMENT over Hillary at LEAST. Monicas Problem was she did not know how to keep all the evidence in her mouth that bill gave her instead of leaking it onto her Dress.

 

[oscardeuce]

Originally Posted by uneverno
http:///forum/post/3039525
R and D don't matter. The only reason I point it out is that people seem to favor one party over the other as if it were morally superior.
I don't get why it's so difficult to understand that politicians in general, regardless of party affiliation, are anathema to We the People?http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...05277695921912 Watch and get back to me.
Agreed, Pelosi came out with the Republican "culture of corruption" and basically stated she was cleaning house. We all know how well that worked. We all know the "culture of corruption" extends well into both sides of the isle.
The press keeps quiet and elections get skewd. The folks who get their info from the major media are getting one side of the story, or outright lies ( Dan Rather). Then they vote based on sound bites, or the party not the persons running. Remeber, Washington warned us of this in his Farewell Address. Maybe he was not such and evil white guy after all.
I'd rather have an honest politician I disagree with in some issues than a liar I think I agree with.

 

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by uneverno
http:///forum/post/3039568
Ok, fair enough. I thought you were inviting a discussion, rather than seeking affirmation of your viewpoint. My mistake.
The video is 2 hours long, and you responded 31 mins after I posted the link with a glib criticism of the production. You haven't yet gotten to the point.
I also didn't post it as fact, but as an opinion, and asked for a response.
If you either can't be bothered to check it out, or your attention span is too short, that's ok.
If I thought it was worth it, I'd see if I could find the Cliff Notes for you, but frankly, I don't see the point.
By all means, keep voting partisan. R = good therefore D = bad. There are clearly no other possibilities or options.
Lemme know how that works out for you in 25 years.
I have better things to do with my time than sit through someone's overindulgent attempt at art. If the subject matter is so serious and important get to the point. I responded after watching what, maybe a minute into it? I have no opinion of the subject matter other than There is probably 15 minutes worth of information buried in a 2 hour movie. If they come out with the readers digest version let me know.
I don't think all D's are bad BUT, I do think what is currently in charge of the Democrat party is destructive for our country so I wouldn't vote for a Democrat for congress or senate unless they had announced they wouldn't vote for their own party's leadership, yeah, thats gonna happen.

 

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by oscardeuce
http:///forum/post/3039872
Agreed, Pelosi came out with the Republican "culture of corruption" and basically stated she was cleaning house. We all know how well that worked. We all know the "culture of corruption" extends well into both sides of the isle.
The press keeps quiet and elections get skewd. The folks who get their info from the major media are getting one side of the story, or outright lies ( Dan Rather). Then they vote based on sound bites, or the party not the persons running. Remeber, Washington warned us of this in his Farewell Address. Maybe he was not such and evil white guy after all.
I'd rather have an honest politician I disagree with in some issues than a liar I think I agree with.
That is the problem. Since the latter days of the Vietnam war the press has becoming more and more agenda driven so you need to look between the lines to learn the truth about what is really going on. I don't agree with a whole lot Bill Mahr has to say but I watch his show a lot because he comes from the position of not giving a crap who is going against his point of view, he slams them. The general public is too lazy to look for the truth and just swells down what every news program happens to be on before their favorite sitcom.
For that same reason I really like Glen Beck. G Gordon Liddy was great, he went after both sides. Tucker Carlson too. When Bill Oreilly isn't wearing his culture warrior cape he is very good as well. Until NBC decided to become the media arm of the left I really liked watching Chris Mathews and Je Scarborough. Unfortunately both have been muzzled and neutered.
What Beck, Carlson and Liddy have in common is they are all libertarians. I pretty much consider myself Libertarian light. They take the get government ot of our life thing too far. I grew p in the late 60's early 70's and the so-called left was a lot different than they are today. They were all about freedom from government, not freedom from responsibility like the leftists are today. I considered myself a Democrat until we got half way through Jimmy Carter. Then Reagan came along and I figured out being what I thought was liberal in the 60's really meant being a conservative 80's.

 

[uneverno]

Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/3040075
The general public is too lazy to look for the truth and just swells down what every news program happens to be on before their favorite sitcom.

There is probably 15 minutes worth of information buried in a 2 hour movie.

No irony there.

 

[darthtang aw]

The entire problem with politics today is the R and the D after everyone's name on the ballot. That is the bottomline. It is a label, a club, an organization. Most people affiliate the candidate with a specific party and that is how they vote. Look at local elections, I would say 75% of those that vote know jack crap about the judges the vote in. They just vote based off the R or D. Because it is easy. we have grown lazy.
Case in point, I voted for a couple democrat judges this election based off their views and rulings...I typically fall in line with Repyblicans, but if the republican is a douche, I will vote for the dem.
Incidentally I do not think Obama won because he was smarter or the stronger candidate. He won because he did not sound like bush. Gotta remember a lot of republicans voted for Obama....these guys I know personally are now kicking themselves over this. The reason they ignored what he was saying and voted for him is McCain was running and mimicking Bush for the most part. It is the reverse of what happenned to Gore in 2000...Gore tried not to mimic and went against Clintons policies...why? The public loved Clinton (regardless of what you think of the man it is true) and had he ran on a Clinton platform, Bush would have lost.
Run on who you arem but at the same point listen to the people, If they liked the previous president or disliked him, maybe that is a sign you might want to listen to.
But at the same point stick with what you say, don't say one thing then because of public perception backtrack and say you didn't mean, explain your view point more concisely and maybe people will see what you meant. My favorite politician to date is Jesse Ventura, not for his policies, I disagreed with some of them, but because of his candor and ability to speak his mind and stand by what he said.....THAT to me is more honorable....But I suppose this country can't handle someone like that....
On a side note, I keep hearing on how smart Obama is, yet his college records and grades weren't released to my knowledge...every President since Kennedy has had to do this for the media, yet this time.....nothing.....I wonder why?

 

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by uneverno
http:///forum/post/3040306

No irony there.
The real irony is people will sit through a Michael Moore movie that even the NY Times has panned as a bunch of crap and repeat his propaganda as fact.
There is a major difference between between being lazy and not wasting your time.

 

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
http:///forum/post/3040526
On a side note, I keep hearing on how smart Obama is, yet his college records and grades weren't released to my knowledge...every President since Kennedy has had to do this for the media, yet this time.....nothing.....I wonder why?
Maybe all those Marxist professors he sought out didn't treat him so well

 

[stdreb27]

did you see the latest. She didn't protest it, because it wouldn't have been politically good for her.
I'm not sure what is worse.

 

[reefraff]

Oh shock, a politician said or didn't say something for the sake of politics.
My gripe with TFLYG is she was acting all high and mighty about draining the swap when so far she has just been further clogging the drain.

 

[reefraff]

OMG! Her press conference today was a riot. She reads a statement and started talking about the Bush administration "misleading about WMD's". To me that is a desperate attempt to remind the press "Bush bad, Liberals good" and it didn't work. This is going to get fun.

 

[stdreb27]

---- Cheney is messing up everything for the dummycrats

 

[oscardeuce]

The latest from the mouth of Pelosi.
Bush made me do it.
Her career is most likely over. She needs to step down from the SoH position. So much for her clean House.

 

[ironeagle2006]

The more Pelosi tries to BLame Bush and also fights to stay in Power and Blocks Ethics investigations the More she will ALIENATE the Independants and the COnservative wing of the DEmocratic party. Also with the Economy Still collasping GM Chrysler and all that the OBAMA adminstration has done to them SINCE HE took office coming out now all because there was no way for anyone to say BACK OFF to protect shareholders. Do not forget 2010 is just next year.

 

[oscardeuce]

Originally Posted by ironeagle2006
http:///forum/post/3044211
The more Pelosi tries to BLame Bush and also fights to stay in Power and Blocks Ethics investigations the More she will ALIENATE the Independants and the COnservative wing of the DEmocratic party. Also with the Economy Still collasping GM Chrysler and all that the OBAMA adminstration has done to them SINCE HE took office coming out now all because there was no way for anyone to say BACK OFF to protect shareholders. Do not forget 2010 is just next year.
Yup, she's losing even Liberal Dems who respect honesty above party.
Why is CEO Obama closing all those dealerships? If they do not advertise, and sell cars they they will go out of business.
Just think of all the new Hyndai, Kia, Toyota dealers coming out in the next year.

 

[stdreb27]

Originally Posted by oscardeuce
http:///forum/post/3044229
Yup, she's losing even Liberal Dems who respect honesty above party.
Why is CEO Obama closing all those dealerships? If they do not advertise, and sell cars they they will go out of business.
Just think of all the new Hyndai, Kia, Toyota dealers coming out in the next year.
You are looking at this all wrong. You're assuming that the left wingers actually vote based off logic and not feelings.

 

[uneverno]

As one of those liberals (though not a Dem - believe it or not, I occaisionally vote R as well, along w/ Green, Libertarian and Farm & Labor) I wish Pelosi would go away, and I hope her career as Speaker is finally done.
What she proposed to accomplish in her "First 100 days" went the exact same way Newt's "Contract for America" did.
Political compromise.
Liars and thieves - ALL of them.
Talk radio seems to think that the CIA is going to exact retribution from Ms. Pelosi for calling them out.
I don't.
First off, isn't the CIA in the business of disinformation and misdirection? (I'm not saying there's anything wrong with that - that's what we pay them for, and that's ok by me given the circumstances.)
Second, political pragmatism will out over the will of the people. If Nancy goes down, a whole lotta R's are going with her, AND the CIA will have to release transcripts.
Not gonna happen.
Here's why:
American politics is in the business of protecting American corporate interests on a global level. Don't believe me? Do a comparison of the top 50 corporate contributors to the Obama and McCain campaigns. You'll find that the list is largely identical.
Any smart gambler hedges his bets, but if the game can be rigged? So much the better.