Hillary Clinton Looks Very Unconvincing and Bitter!

scsinet

Active Member
Originally Posted by VinnyRaptor
http:///forum/post/2737112
all i heard all day our right wingers say how Hillary's speech wasn't this or wasn't that. she said everything she needed to. she pointed out all that is wrong with the country and the Bush administration, she tied McCain directly to Bush and said it's gonna take a Democrat to fix it again. she said to her backers to vote for the families she met along the campaign trail and said to vote for them by voting for Barrack. it's clear their not best buddies, but they are on the same team. i have questions for you GOP'ers why is McCains voting record 35% and only 20% in 2006. why did he vote no to raise veteran's disability checks? i thought he cared about our troops and our vets. the facts are that George Bush ruined the country and McCain agreed with nearly all of his policies. borrowing money from China to buy oil from the Saudi's, great idea. Lying about Iraq's WMD's, lying about 9/11, giving huge tax breaks to the elite 1% will most struggle to make there bills. jobs shipped overseas, ignoring healthcare, education, our infrastructure, our troops and our vets. the worst president in the history of the country! and McCain agreed with him 9 times out of 10! you say Barrack has no expierence, he's too young, he's too liberal, his pastor, Resco, etc... all weak arguments! George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Lincoln, Kennedy, and nearly all of the greatest leaders in world history were around Barracks age and some had little or no expierence. it's all fear tactics by your party because there afraid of Obama! he offers hope and change, and you use fear to get your guy elected it's sad. you say he has no platform and is filled with platitudes, your guy basically said our economy is in good shape! lmao.. for who? you call Barrack an elitist because he went to Harvard. your guy doesn't even know how many properties he owns, thats elitest. you call him a war hero yet nobody has actually seen his military record. not to get ugly but since when in history is a prisoner a hero? hero's a guys who kick ass not guys who get captured. they are the ones who get rescued by hero's. i know the story... he could have been released but stayed with his men. that's noble but not heroic. and if he would have abandoned his men he would have been a coward. no man wants to look like a coward not any real man. he did the right thing no doubt, but not a heroic act or deed. and for that matter the football player who joined the rangers and got killed in friendly fire he wasn't a hero either. IMO Ghandi, MLK, Mandela, the Dali Llhama, the guys who stormed Normandy and defeated the Nazi's are heroes. William Wallace, Jesus of Nazarath, Malcolm X, Paul Revere and Thomas Jefferson were considered "terrorists" of thier times and they were hero's. can any of you honestly put John McCain on any of those lists?

Not to get too personal, but your lack of spelling and grammar does not help your case much. It does nothing more than call into question the educated reasoning behind your argument.
You can't even spell your candidate's name correctly.
All I'm saying is that your arugment will be more respected if you take the time to proofread your post and structure it so people can read it.
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keep pretending it was too hard to read. you just couldn't stand all of the FACTS! i didnt use paragraphs because i wanted to make sure i could fit everything i wanted to say in one post.
Interesting argument here. I especially like the use of the term "Facts."
the facts are that George Bush ruined the country
No, that is an OPINION.
borrowing money ..... great idea
OPINION.
the worst president in the history of the country!
OPINION.
it's all fear tactics by your party because there afraid of Obama
OPINION.
Shall I go on? You even used "IMO" in a post that you later refer to as being all about FACTS.

Let's talk about one last point:
he offers hope and change
Can you help me understand exactly what HOPE and CHANGE amount to? I hear people use variations of these same lines all the time, but nobody has been able to substantiate this with any real plans that have a sensical plan surrounding them.
Obama has a great thing going for him. He can sell this "hope and change" BS because there are voters like you, willing to eat it up without even understanding what it means.
Here is some homework:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fact
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion
 

nigerbang

Active Member
check this out...If you seen this and know the outcome please dont spoil!!
Question 1:
If you knew a woman who was pregnant, who had 8 kids already, three who
were deaf, two who were blind, one mentally retarded, and she had
syphilis, would you recommend that she have an abortion?
Read the next question before looking at the response for this one.
Question 2:
It is time to elect a new world leader, and only your vote counts.
Here are the facts about the three candidates.
Who would you vote for?
Candidate A.
Associates with crooked politicians, and consults with astrologist
He's had two mistresses.
He also chain smokes and drinks 8 to 10 martinis a day.
Candidate B.
He was kicked out of office twice, sleeps until noon, used opium in
college and drinks a quart of whiskey every evening.
Candidate C
He is a decorated war hero.
He's a vegetarian, doesn't smoke, drinks an
occasional beer and never cheated on his wife.
Which of these candidates would be your choice?
 

oscardeuce

Active Member
Originally Posted by VinnyRaptor
http:///forum/post/2738096
are people falsly accused of crimes and spend time in prison for nothing heroes too? and the reason for no paragraphs is i wanted to make sure i could fit everything in one post! several times i wrote long responses and then had to edit them becuase they were too long.
the facts are the Dem's hit a home run and tonight Barrack will hit a grand slam!
So, you equate Boyington with a falsely imprisoned person?
Did you even know names like Boyington, Foss, Young, Bader?
You excuse for bad English is "the ends justify the means?"
 

stdreb27

Active Member
Originally Posted by NigerBang
http:///forum/post/2738134
check this out...If you seen this and know the outcome please dont spoil!!
Question 1:
If you knew a woman who was pregnant, who had 8 kids already, three who
were deaf, two who were blind, one mentally retarded, and she had
syphilis, would you recommend that she have an abortion?
Read the next question before looking at the response for this one.
Question 2:
It is time to elect a new world leader, and only your vote counts.
Here are the facts about the three candidates.
Who would you vote for?
Candidate A.
Associates with crooked politicians, and consults with astrologist
He's had two mistresses.
He also chain smokes and drinks 8 to 10 martinis a day.
Candidate B.
He was kicked out of office twice, sleeps until noon, used opium in
college and drinks a quart of whiskey every evening.
Candidate C
He is a decorated war hero.
He's a vegetarian, doesn't smoke, drinks an
occasional beer and never cheated on his wife.
Which of these candidates would be your choice?
http://www.snopes.com/glurge/twoquestions.asp
 

el guapo

Active Member
Why oh god why is this a week long thing ? I am so tired of the Obama freaks hanging out in my city . Traffic sucks there is nothing on the local news that's "local". I just want it all to be over with . I will even vote for him if they all pack up and leave town tonight .
They all want to have small talk about how great Osama is . I am at my wits end with this all . I am ready to just yell at the next person to try and make small talk about the DNC.
As company policy we are not allowed to discuss political views with clients . But I am ready to put on the I <3 Mc Cain t shirt and tell them all to chase parked cars .
 

1journeyman

Active Member
What I liked about the speech was the continuing call for "change".
Meanwhile, the value of the dollar continues to climb, the price of oil continues to fall as speculators fear the US drilling, Iraq continues to stabalize, and the GDP for the second quarter was over 3%. Not to mention the Democrat's candidate for President calls for talks with enemies and a massive cut in military spending while the Soviet Union begins to re-emerge.
Change=Socialism. That's all he's got left to promise the masses.
 

scsinet

Active Member
Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2739123
and the GDP for the second quarter was over 3%.....
.... when it was only projected to be 1.9.
And guess what the economists are attributing it to... Bush's economic stimulus plan.
Not too shabby...
 

oscardeuce

Active Member
Originally Posted by SCSInet
http:///forum/post/2739152
.... when it was only projected to be 1.9.
And guess what the economists are attributing it to... Bush's economic stimulus plan.
Not too shabby...

Then again it is all about feeling, not facts.
 

jdl

Member
Originally Posted by Squidward
http:///forum/post/2739098
Wow what an amazing Epic speech by Obama! Mad props to the man.

epic ?

dropping the nuke on japan was epic
landing on the moon was epic
man's first flight was epic
finding ways to create fire was epic
a speech from a presidential candidate is not epic.
 

rylan1

Active Member
Republicans .....the DNC convention was a pretty good showing.... you have to admit... From night to night it was a building of the case effort... very well organized... and to cap it off w/ over 75,000 and a monumental speech by Obama...
This is the event in which all other conventions will be judged.
Regardless if you were buying the message or not... very impressive.
Also for people on the fence... independents... disgruntled dems... I think we have the best ticket... we have a candidate who inspires and has a plan for our future.. as well as the experience that some of you beliefs Obama lacks with Biden... who is chair of the Foreign Intelligence Committee. So that is the foreign/military connection.... as well as the family values... His story is great story that is touching and inspiring.
Oh, and he did it with honor and didn't personally attack McCain..
 

rylan1

Active Member
Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2739123
What I liked about the speech was the continuing call for "change".
Meanwhile, the value of the dollar continues to climb, the price of oil continues to fall as speculators fear the US drilling, Iraq continues to stabalize, and the GDP for the second quarter was over 3%. Not to mention the Democrat's candidate for President calls for talks with enemies and a massive cut in military spending while the Soviet Union begins to re-emerge.
Change=Socialism. That's all he's got left to promise the masses.
did you notice oil falls when it is politically convient?
As far as talks with enemies... hasn't the Bush admin adopted this policy... aren't we now talking w/ Iran... You continue to want the policies of old... this is a different world... a much smaller world... and we can't isolate ourselves from the world... And why would speculators fear more drilling? You act as if this means they are going to be laid off or take a pay cut...
As far as military spending... we spend 10x more than any other country... and the US dollar is still weak... and will remain to be weak until we can reduce our debt.
But to act as if the last 8 years have been rosey for americans is insulting...we do need change. The economic policy of the last 8 years has been a train wreck... it disporportionally(sp.?) benefits the rich, deregulation of energy, Katrina,

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crisis, and all the borrowing... this policy ignores the future... and jeopordizes your future...and even more so your children's. Reganomics... you can't cut taxes.. and have a record spending budget w/ 2 wars.... Bankrupt!
His policy is just like the mortage crisis... people told him he could borrow and spend more than the American people could afford.... and now look at what has happened....
 

stdreb27

Active Member
Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2739247
did you notice oil falls when it is politically convient?
As far as talks with enemies... hasn't the Bush admin adopted this policy... aren't we now talking w/ Iran... You continue to want the policies of old... this is a different world... a much smaller world... and we can't isolate ourselves from the world... And why would speculators fear more drilling? You act as if this means they are going to be laid off or take a pay cut...
As far as military spending... we spend 10x more than any other country... and the US dollar is still weak... and will remain to be weak until we can reduce our debt.
But to act as if the last 8 years have been rosey for americans is insulting...we do need change. The economic policy of the last 8 years has been a train wreck... it disporportionally(sp.?) benefits the rich, deregulation of energy, Katrina,

[hr]
crisis, and all the borrowing... this policy ignores the future... and jeopordizes your future...and even more so your children's. Reganomics... you can't cut taxes.. and have a record spending budget w/ 2 wars.... Bankrupt!
His policy is just like the mortage crisis... people told him he could borrow and spend more than the American people could afford.... and now look at what has happened....
You argument contradicts yourself. And you can't sustain market controls, which is what you're party advocates.
Our debt has very little to do with the value of the dollar.
To insinuate that this is soupline america with all these horrible things happening in the intellectually dishonest argument.
 

rylan1

Active Member
Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2739257
You argument contradicts yourself. And you can't sustain market controls, which is what you're party advocates.
Our debt has very little to do with the value of the dollar.
To insinuate that this is soupline america with all these horrible things happening in the intellectually dishonest argument.
So our defecit has nothing to do w/ declining dollar?
 
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