horrible green hair algea

cameltowing

Member
got a 150 reef with 100 gal sump. i remove a sandwich baggy full of hair algea every other day. system has been going on 2 years. great luck with fish and corals except when algea over grows the corals. 150 lbs or so of live rock. some base rock has the worst of the algea. never any slime. feed every third day flake and pellets. sump has 2 or 3 grocery bags full of chaeto, red, grape and more kinds of algea but no hair algea. sump runs 2 skimmers and pc lights. display runs 3 mh20k's and 5 powerheads. i use ro. water changes once a month. top off ro 5 gallons every other day. never add anything else. no coraline growth. calcium has awlays been real high and ph at 7.9. phosphates are 0 nit 0 amm 0 salt high at 1.028 temp at 78-82 lightd run 4 to 6 hours a day. skipping days noe and then
been like this for 2 years. have tangs , blennies tons of hermits and snails and nubianch slugs and nothing touches the hair. i can literally after 1 week take out 10 handfulls- full handfulls- lfs keeps saying you have to stay on top of it. after 2 years thats bull____! please help. i cant keep spending money on corals that get covered in a few weeks. thanks
 

nygel

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Wow man, that really sucks. What's your cleanup crew? My hermits usually will take care of mine (scarlets and blue legs)
 

hot883

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I would do more frequent water changes and also ensure my RO filters are good. (changed every 6 months) - unless wter quality sucks then more often.
 

jerthunter

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I'm just going to toss something out there. Do you have low alk? The reason I ask is you say you have high calcium and 7.9 pH, no coraline growth.... Perhaps your carbonate hardness is low making coraline algae growth virtually no existant and having bare base rock seems to attach hair algae growth....
If that isn't that case, and even if it is, you may want to consider purchasing a sea hare. The eat exclusively (or at least almost exclusively I believe) hair algae. After he cleans up the hair algae then you can sell him to someone else with a hair algae problem...
 

cameltowing

Member
i had a sea hair for a week when i found him sucked into a powerhead. your right alk is a little low but not bad. i buy my ro water from the local water store. water out here is horrible. also what would you feed corals that wouldnt promote algea growth? i used to run a canister with carbon but has been off 2 months or so.
 

jerthunter

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Sorry to hear about the sea hare...
Pretty much anything you feed the corals end up feeding the algae, either directly or indirectly. Depending on the corals you have you probably don't actually have the feed them anything....
One thing that worked for me, but not for everyone, is emerald crabs. In my tank emerald crabs seem to enjoy cleaning up the hair algae... Just another idea I'm tossing out there..
 

cameltowing

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do you think i should raise the alk? or use purple up to promote coraline? seems where theres coraline theres no hair algea? any other ideas? thanks again
 

ninjamini

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Below is a post that I made a while back. What I have to say about your tank is that at 2 years you probably have a nitrate and phosphate issue and you do not know it. If you have had elevated levels of either they get trapped in the rock over time and then start to leach it back in to the water.
So here are a few things for you.
1. How old are your bulbs? As bulbs age they shift spectrum and can cause a algae bloom on there own.
2. It seems like you have a lot of cheto. Do you prune it on a regular basis? You have to remove the old stuff before it dies. Otherwise it leaches all the stuff it consumed back into the water.
3. Get and run a phosban reactor. On sale for $34 at the doctors. This will suck the phosphates out of your system. Yea you have some.... Because you have hair algaie thats how.
4. Cut back on feeding. What are you feeding? Is it high in phosphates and nitrates?
5. Pull off as much as you can. Nothing will eat the long stuff and you don't want it to dissolve in your tank. That just puts the nutrients back in.
5. Cut back on the amount of light.
6. Read my article below.
https://forums.saltwaterfish.com/t/255585/do-you-have-hair-algae
Do you have hair algae?

If you have a hair algae problem then read my cure all. I just recently took a tank off someone's hands, a very experienced reefer too, who had a hair algae problem that they could not fix. But the fix is so easy when you understand it. This is the instructions for a established tank. If your tank is under 3 months old read below* first.
Hair algae wont grow if you don't feed it.
1. Use Ro/DI water ONLY. If your not doing this then you are making a fatal mistake.
2. Pick off the big clumps of hair. Pull the rocks out you can and pull pull pull. Dip them back in the water to get the algae to hang down. Turn off the flow for the rocks you cant remove while you pick it off. By picking off the big clumps you remove the nitrates and phosphates from the water.
3. Know why it grows. It consumes nitrates, phosphates and light. Export the nitrates and phosphates with water changes and some cheto. Rember if you test says that you have 0 Nitrates and 0 Phosphates that does not mean you don't have them. It just means that they are consumed. If you have algae growing then you have nitrates and phosphates. Yea there in there.
4. Cut back on feeding. Where do you thing those nitrates and phosphates come from. If you have any really piggy fish then you may want to move them to QT.
5. Turn down the photo period by shutting the lights off and only turn them on for 6 hours a day. Most corals can handle this for a month. Just think of it as the rainy season.
6. Get a emerald and some mexican snails. Yea the big ones. They will both eat the short stuff.
7. Time. Give it 3-4 weeks then start to turn the lights to 7, 8...more hours till your back to a normal amount of time.
Done. Now I have my nano cube filled with sand, rocks, zoos and fish because I was able to follow this plan and he was not. Which is weird since he has an awesome sps tank.
*If your tank is new that is less than 3 months old then the question is not how to get rid of them but understanding that this is only part of the natural cycle of a new tank. If this happened just as your ammonia and nitrites test at 0 then its going to grow. Its the same reason because there is alot of nitrate and phosphate in the water. This would be the time to do your first water change and then add your clean up crew. They will take care of the algae along with water changes.
Remember don.t feed your nuisance algae and it wont grow.
Good Luck.
 

vanquish

Member
I just got an emrild to deal with my hair. I hate the way the mexican snails look, but do they really work? If so ill buy a handful and toss them in there... i can deal with their ugliness if they'll solve my hair problem. From time to time i get red slime, and i use the chemical to kill it. this has no effect on the hair.
 

ninjamini

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I got the livestock from a local reefer who was giving up due to hair algae. $10. It was enough sand for my 12 nano cube and enough rock. I also got 2 rocks with polyps on it. I also got a 6 line, a diamond goby, a shunk cleaner shrimp and a pepermint. The hair was about 8-10" long in places. Yuck a real mess. He could not get rid of it ant tried for months.
I put it all into my nano which was not set up at the time. So this was a new set up in my office. The fish went into my QT and are not in my 90 gallon.
I did exactly what I said.
1 emerald - a male
1 Mexican snail which came out of my 90
several snails which he gave me
1 sally light foot which I had for 2 years and the emerald tore apart in 4 days. Sad loss.
6 hours of light/day
no food. There was no fish in there. But also no skimmer and no filter.
4 weeks later no hair algae. All gone. And it has yet to return. In fact I am now deciding between a citron goby and a 2 spot for the tank.
Good luck.
 

ratrod

Member
Here's the cure-all I posted originally way back.
I agree with most of what Nijamini with the exception that the not feeding algea aproach is good and should done, but wont stop a real hair algea prob once the stuff really gets a grip on your system.
If your algea problem is fixed by adding a lawnmower blenny trust me, you dont have a real problem
Here's my algea 101 rant
I'm gonna give you my advise on the nasty hair algae curse. Not everone will agree with me on all of what I have to say but I can asure you I've had a reef up for over ten years and I've been to hell and back with this stuff and I'll tell you what works, for sure, some of the time, part of the time, and non of the time. It is true that hair algae loves phosphates and silica, and ofcourse light, and eliminating or reducing these things will help curb it to a degree, but here's the thing a perfectly healthy reef with good water quality can grow hair algae, especially if your reef has ever had it before. Water changes are the quickest way to get your PO4 under control assuming your using RO water or a water source that has no PO4 in it. Here's the hard part and the part that always makes me laugh when people pipe off and say it, that is, all you have to do is worry about water quality and get it right and the hair algae goes away. Thats a joke and not true! The hair algae that is in your tank stores enough nutrients WITHIN ITSELF to grow at an alarming rate with perfect water readings!!! Dont be fooled just because the test kits read zero! Its like a heart problem, once you have, you dont cure it, you manage it. So, here's my 2 cents on how to get rid of it including all the blatent obvious things that are repeated over and over again. Bigger and longer established tanks are harder to treat than smaller ones.
1) Do water changes ofcourse, but rig yourself up a rigid length of clear tubing to your siphon hose to control and vacuum up all the loose algae and reef dust.
2) To really get a head start take the rocks out of the tank and dip them into a bucket of salt water and scrub the algae off with a toothbrush.
3) Cutting your light time, and reducing your feedings are certainly helpful at least until you get it under control. Poeple say that older lights cause algae, its possible but changing them wont help much.
4) Get or make sure your skimmer is running properly! And replace your prefilter media constantly.
5) When selecting a clean-up crew, be careful not to over do it at first! Its great to have a snail for every gallon like some people say, and I dont totally disagree, but if you put a lot them in and some die off, you've now created more fuel for your algae.
6) Dump in some long spiny urchins, you cant kill hardly em, and they really mow! They can tip things over though.
7) The phos-ban products do help, but their expensive and with all the other factors they alone wont eliminate your algae only help manage it after you've gottin rid of a lot of it. I like the slower acting stuff for a long term preventative measure.
8) UV stearlization is good for some things, but worthless for hair algae.
The bottom line on all this is to get it under control you have to get a little drastic, or you wont get it under control. Then from that point on its prevention. Hope this helps.
 

jerthunter

Active Member
Originally Posted by cameltowing
do you think i should raise the alk? or use purple up to promote coraline? seems where theres coraline theres no hair algea? any other ideas? thanks again
I personally think you should try to slowly raise your alk, that should help promote coraline growth and I believe it should also help with your hair algae problem...
 
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