How do you explain this?- Illegals

[phelpz]

Originally Posted by socal57che
http:///forum/post/2494374
Would be a major boost to the economy to have Americans working.
Because the Mexicans from the Home Depot parking lot already do.
Oceanside Gang Unit arrests illegal Mexican gangbangers daily only to have them show up again after deportation. Mexico doesn't want them and gives them a booklet on how to cross back to USA without issue.

Well, if they granted them amnesty and has SS cards they would be paying the same taxes as everyone else.
And as for any gangbangers, legal or not, the authorities should just "take care" of them. They did it in the '70's....

 

[socal57che]

Originally Posted by phelpz
http:///forum/post/2494384
Well, if they granted them amnesty and has SS cards they would be paying the same taxes as everyone else.
Yes, but still occupying jobs that would have been offered to current US citizens. If the work is there someone will do it. It's too bad that we feel the need to forgive someone's illegal activity and reward them with the right to earn a living by taking entry level jobs from high schoolers. BTW, the fact that many construction workers are illegals means it's not just the grape picking jobs they are taking.

 

[phelpz]

well, a lot of the issues with americans not finding work also has to do with the exportation of factories, and all that by american companies. That affects a lot more people than illegal construction workers.
And thats a whole other topic.
I just really see whats wrong with people trying to have a better life. I'm sure if they had the means, and the money to live here legally they would. Its not as easy as some people seem to think.

 

[1journeyman]

Originally Posted by phelpz
http:///forum/post/2494362
I'm so sure they commit more crimes than anyother group of people already here in the US.
Right...
I live in Arizona. I hear, and see this everyday. You know what I see? Mothers trying to provide for their children. Give them an education. People taking the ---- jobs no one else will.
Do you know how it would effect our economy if they left?
Whats left of agriculture industry will move to Chile like the rest. The people will bitch when they go to the store to buy produce. Or when they have to pay a contractor $30 an hour, at the LEAST, to work on their house.
Why dont you go pick grapes, or build a wall for someone for next to nothing?
I really think they should work on granting amnesty to the ones who are here. Giving them social security cards so they can get real jobs. Making them pay taxes.
No one wanted the Irish, or Italians when they were coming over here in swarms either. They do call the US a melting pot for some reason.
They are all criminals. They are here illegally... Therefore the criminal rate is 100%.
They can apply to come here legally. Give the jobs to those that obey the law.
Without cheap labor employers would be forced to pay more reasonable wages.
I'm totally against rewarding criminals.
When the Irish and Italians came to the US they learned English, adopted the American culture, and made a life for themselves here; as opposed to sneaking into the country illegally and supplying Mexico with more US dollars than tourism.

 

[1journeyman]

Originally Posted by phelpz
http:///forum/post/2494409
....I just really see whats wrong with people trying to have a better life. I'm sure if they had the means, and the money to live here legally they would. Its not as easy as some people seem to think.
I'm all for people having better lives. That said, where does it end? How many of Mexico's impoverished will they export here before we force them to deal with their own corruption and failed government?
Mexico has oil, farmland, tourism destinations.... There is no reason that they cannot take care of their own population except a failed and corrupt government.
Again, let them come here legally and become citizens. I have no issue with that.

 

[phelpz]

Why dont we also talk about people who are illegal aliens and not from Mexico.
I have a friend in TX who is from Australia, and is illegal. I think its funny how not one person gives her ---- about living here, but her Mexican boyfriend, oh God forbid.

 

[1journeyman]

Originally Posted by phelpz
http:///forum/post/2494417
Why dont we also talk about people who are illegal aliens and not from Mexico.
I have a friend in TX who is from Australia, and is illegal. I think its funny how not one person gives her ---- about living here, but her Mexican boyfriend, oh God forbid.
Ok, when was the last time you saw a protest in a US city demanding rights for Australian illegals? When was the last time over 10 million Australians were in the country illegally?
Let's not do a dance here. The issue is Mexico.

 

[socal57che]

Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2494410
They are all criminals. They are here illegally... Therefore the criminal rate is 100%.
They can apply to come here legally. Give the jobs to those that obey the law.
Without cheap labor employers would be forced to pay more reasonable wages.
I'm totally against rewarding criminals.
When the Irish and Italians came to the US they learned English, adopted the American culture, and made a life for themselves here; as opposed to sneaking into the country illegally and supplying Mexico with more US dollars than tourism.
AMEN!
My great grandparents on my mother's side came from Germany. They were "processed" at Ellis Island. They began to learn English. My grandmother spoke very little German. My mother...none. Me...same as none. (I know A few words and phrases, but none of it came from family) They were Americans. No longer tied to a "parent" country.
I work with a man that lives in Tijuana. He works here legally, is a good man, and good friend. I am not a prejudiced man. I simply respond to what I see day in and day out. I'm tired of it. I can't even read graffiti any more.

 

[socal57che]

Originally Posted by phelpz
http:///forum/post/2494417
Why dont we also talk about people who are illegal aliens and not from Mexico.
I have a friend in TX who is from Australia, and is illegal. I think its funny how not one person gives her ---- about living here, but her Mexican boyfriend, oh God forbid.
Yes, lets talk about it. You know about this individual. Did you report him to I.N.S.? Or did you do nothing because he was an Aussie? Give me his info and I will contact INS for you.

 

[aninafish]

I don't think anyone would really be complaining about the illegals if they paid taxes and had the same responsibilities as every other American. I have no problems with people coming here from other contries, but part reason why they had rules and regs to come here legally is because we kinda would like to know who they are. The welfare system itself is the issue. I don't think I am alone in thinking if you don't pay taxes and do your share you are not entitled to anything. (Before I get flamed, seniors and the disabled to not apply to what I am saying)
I don't think I am alone in saying there have been to many years when I worked hard everyday and could not afford medical insurance, yet I paid so others could have it. I was not able to afford a decent meal on the table, but I paid for others to have one. I could not afford to have a child but I supported others who had some anyway. The whole deal in general is unfair.. (I might be a little bitter)
I know a good portion of the illegals work very hard for wages few of us would accept but they are doing it because they refused to do things the right way. I don't feel you should be rewarded for not playing by the rules. No taxes no freebies.

 

[phelpz]

Illegals with fake SS cards pay taxes.
And yes, I know thats few and far between.

 

[mfp1016]

Originally Posted by phelpz
http:///forum/post/2494409
well, a lot of the issues with americans not finding work also has to do with the exportation of factories, and all that by american companies. That affects a lot more people than illegal construction workers.
How do you outsource construction? I guess I didn't realize we were importing houses....

 

[mfp1016]

Originally Posted by phelpz
http:///forum/post/2494443
Illegals with fake SS cards pay taxes.
And yes, I know thats few and far between.
You are alleging that there is some population of illegal immigrants that obtain fake SS cards in order to pay income tax?
Hahahahaha

 

[phelpz]

So you think employers who are asking these illegals for SS cards arent going to be taking taxes out of their checks as well?
Why would they ask for one otherwise?
Ive known people who are illegal with fake SS cards, and get taxes taken out of their pay checks. And get this, they can even file their taxes at the end of the year with a tax id number anyone can get.

 

[1journeyman]

Originally Posted by phelpz
http:///forum/post/2494465
So you think employers who are asking these illegals for SS cards arent going to be taking taxes out of their checks as well?
Why would they ask for one otherwise?
Ive known people who are illegal with fake SS cards, and get taxes taken out of their pay checks. And get this, they can even file their taxes at the end of the year with a tax id number anyone can get.

If they get 10-99s and are shown as "contract labor" then No. They do not have taxes withheld.

 

[zman1]

If they are in fact an "Independent Contractor" then they will get a 1099-MISC at the end of the year, if it's $600 or more from who contracted them. They (Independant Contractor) the sole proprietor are to make quartely estimated payments to the IRS during that year. Same for the state. Not sure about AZ but my state we make estimated quarterly payments as well. 1journeyman is correct on that taxes aren't withheld from pay, if that's how they are classified (non-employee). Otherwise, they would get a W-2 and taxes are withheld. I am no CPA but how I know this is that my wife has been a independant contractor for 18+ years and sub contracted out some work as well over the years. We have been on both sides of the 1099-MISC
If it's under the table, we all lose....

 

[sciknen]

well i wasnt saying that they only come here n commite crimes u wud think they would try to lay low and not commit crimes
alot higher percentage of illegals commite crimes then legal citizens
other then being illegal
i also dont thing irish and italians adopted american culture
i think they lived their own lives and didint bother most everyone
they worked their asses off legally
what i would liek to see happen is stricter borders
i wanna see people being able to get in legally
but i wanna see the border themselves parolled a little bit rather then barely at all
also im 20
ive had lots of jobs
most of which were under the table
n i made more working under the table then on the books
never once was i ask for my ss card at those jobs
one being construction
landscaping
and a bouncer

 

[reefraff]

How about we put a few facts on the table.
First and foremost illegals are bringing in diseases we had spents decades to make rare occurances. Part of the LEGAL immigration process is vacinations. Now not only do we spend billions to educate other nations kids in their native language, we allow them to expose our kids to contagious diseases. I guess we should pay to vacinate their kids too now.
An Illegal alien that steals an SS card cost US taxpayers money because once the theift is discovered it costs between 1000 and 1500 dollars in man hours to correct the records. WHat about the hard working US citizen that has their SS number used? WHat does it cost them to correct their records and credit report. I saw a story about one woman that has had her number used more than 30 times.
Illegal aliens claim enough deductions that no income tax is witheld from their pay check. They do pay the FICA taxes but again, that money will easily be eaten when the record have to be corrected.
The Majority of illegal alliens pack as many people as possible into a rental so they can live cheap. The reason for that is the send the majority of their pay to their families in other countries.
Illegal aliens add nothing to our country. Granted some do jobs most americans wont but I saw first hand how they took over the construction trades in southern California, After the swift raid in Colorado there were numerous US citizens lined up to apply for the jobs of the illegals that were deported.

 

[pontius]

Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/2494532
The Majority of illegal alliens pack as many people as possible into a rental so they can live cheap. The reason for that is the send the majority of their pay to their families in other countries.
this is absolutely true. I believe I saw that over half of Mexico's gross income comes from money being sent from illegals in the US. so it's a win, win, win for Mexico. they export their poverty, crime, and a good portion of population to us, and then get more than $60 billion a year in exchange.
also, let's not all assume that these illegals are working for next to nothing and doing jobs that "Americans won't do". remember, if you're working legally, you're going to be paying 28% at least in taxes. they don't pay this. but they still get basically all the same benefits of someone who's paying taxes. so they aren't working for less than a legal worker would be working for. they're just costing the boss less. so the worker benefits by having a job that would pay much more than they'd make in Mexico. the boss benefits by having a worker work for the same or a little less, but doesn't have to pay taxes. then, the bill for healthcare, childcare, education, law enforcement, etc gets passed off to the taxpayer.
also, whoever made light of the thought that illegals may commit more crime than other groups is wrong. not even considering that they all commit a crime by coming here, illegal immigrants commit more crime per capita than any other group. it's estimated that over one third of all people in prison are here illegally.
a lot of county jails now have websites that you can go on and look at that day's booking list. go on one and find all the Latino sounding names and see how many are booked for "driving without a driver's license" or "driving an uninsured vehicle". it's really astounding. and that causes legal citizens' car insurance to go up. just another added bonus to what they're already costing us.

 

[1journeyman]

Originally Posted by Pontius
http:///forum/post/2494590
this is absolutely true. I believe I saw that over half of Mexico's gross income comes from money being sent from illegals in the US. so it's a win, win, win for Mexico. they export their poverty, crime, and a good portion of population to us, and then get more than $60 billion a year in exchange....
I've posted this before;
Mexico's top income shifts between oil revenue and dollars sent back from the USA. Tourism is third, well behind illegal dollars.
When you think about the huge drain that is on our economy... it's astounding.