How hard are Emporor Angel to keep

ironeagle2006

ironeagle2006

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I had an Emporor 3 years ago and he did well. However I can not remember all the things I fed him and such any advice will be apprechedated. He is going in with 2 Trigs a Huma Huma and Niger 4 Tangs Yellow Blue Hippo Powder Blue and Clown, Foxface Porcupine puffer Lunare Wrasse and Voiltan Lionfish. They are in a 150 tank. Filters are 2 350 biowheels a 150 sea clone skimmer Undergravel with 4 reverse flow 660 powerheads. Watermovement is hydroflor 4 and a 2. Lighting is 48 inch CVHO flourscent with 260 watts with 4 LEDS for night.
 
ccampbell57

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you are overstocked as it is. Your tangs will be very aggressive in your 150.
IMHO, take out the clown tang and something else before it gets ugly
 
ironeagle2006

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At one point in this same tank until my stepson decided to feed the fish I had a 9 inch Blue face angel 7 inch Koran 8 inch Sailfin and a naso in there with all the others listed and never have had a fight. The worst thing I have seen is maybe a display of my space and then that is it. It is called when I put something new in I rearrange the tank to disturb all territory and also make sure everyone is well fed and happy. I also talked to multiple people at Shedd Aquarium helps I am a member there and ran this by them and they say I am fine with what I am putting in there. BTW all my bioload parameters like nitrates nitrites ammoina are at ZERO at that is with a saltwater reef master tester tested 3X weekly. Until I got tired of freshwater in a 75 gallon I had a school of 60 neons 2 mated pairs of angels 1 pair of malboro red discus 2 7 inch irredescent sharks and also 6 cory cats and 12 inch Pleco called I keep an eye on my parameters and do regular water changes.
 
crashbandicoot

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Then maybe you should go ask them for advice since they seem to tell you what you want to hear .
I could tell you that you could wedge a few eels and a white shark in there doesnt mean its true . I really would like to know how you have such bio load and keep it at ZERO's . Its uterly imposible with the conditions you describe
 
whitey

whitey

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Originally Posted by ironeagle2006
http:///forum/post/2471474
At one point in this same tank until my stepson decided to feed the fish I had a 9 inch Blue face angel 7 inch Koran 8 inch Sailfin and a naso in there with all the others listed and never have had a fight. The worst thing I have seen is maybe a display of my space and then that is it. It is called when I put something new in I rearrange the tank to disturb all territory and also make sure everyone is well fed and happy. I also talked to multiple people at Shedd Aquarium helps I am a member there and ran this by them and they say I am fine with what I am putting in there. BTW all my bioload parameters like nitrates nitrites ammoina are at ZERO at that is with a saltwater reef master tester tested 3X weekly. Until I got tired of freshwater in a 75 gallon I had a school of 60 neons 2 mated pairs of angels 1 pair of malboro red discus 2 7 inch irredescent sharks and also 6 cory cats and 12 inch Pleco called I keep an eye on my parameters and do regular water changes.
Having something succeed for a while doesn't change the defintion of cruelty.
 
stdreb27

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It is entirely possible to put that many fish in a tank. And for them to survive, heck jews survived consentration camps. But come one take care of your fish.
 
ironeagle2006

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Then explain how if I am not doing something right then. I bought my Blue hippo as a Tiny you know one of those 3/4 inch or less fish and in 3 years it has grown to 7 inches without one case of ICH EVER and no trace of HLLS that one has been moved from WI to IL and once in IL has been moved 5 different times. My Niger was a ***** Rescue and was an inch long 18 months ago. My Yellow tang was 2 inches long 2 years ago How do I keep my ammonia Nitraite and Nitirites at zero you ask simple. Called 200 LBS Live rock 200 total hermits 50 turbo snails instead of sand I still used Crushed Coral for my base. Also I keep the water circulating by using reverse flow powerheads on my Undergravel filter. My Blueface that did die earlier this year in my so called overcrowded tank I bought it as a Juvi and it changed to an adult the only reason why it dies was simple it got hit by an overfeeding by my son that would have wiped out anyones tank. He dumped 1 full pound of pelletized food into the tank at 10 pm after I had gone to bed for the night and he woke up thinking the fish wanted a night time snack. When I caught it the next morning I immediatly changed 50% of the water and also cleaned as much of the food out however it was way to late for some of the fish.
 
scsinet

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So far I haven't noticed anyone actually answer the questions you asked yet... so I'll do that for you.
1. How hard is the P. imperator to keep? IMO it is a moderately difficult fish. They do well in very large, very lightly stocked aquariums where they do not feel crowded. A 150 size wise is a marginal tank for them... most would say 200gal or more. That said, they can and are kept in tanks your size.
2. What do you feed them? Pomacanthus angels require sponge in their diet for long term survival. The best way to get them this is to feed the Angel Formula from Ocean Nutrition.
I'm only answering your question because nobody else has that I can see, but at the same time I agree with what people are saying here about your stocking levels.
 
whitey

whitey

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Originally Posted by ironeagle2006
http:///forum/post/2471757
Then explain how if I am not doing something right then. I bought my Blue hippo as a Tiny you know one of those 3/4 inch or less fish and in 3 years it has grown to 7 inches without one case of ICH EVER and no trace of HLLS that one has been moved from WI to IL and once in IL has been moved 5 different times. My Niger was a ***** Rescue and was an inch long 18 months ago. My Yellow tang was 2 inches long 2 years ago How do I keep my ammonia Nitraite and Nitirites at zero you ask simple. Called 200 LBS Live rock 200 total hermits 50 turbo snails instead of sand I still used Crushed Coral for my base. Also I keep the water circulating by using reverse flow powerheads on my Undergravel filter. My Blueface that did die earlier this year in my os called overcrowded tank I bought it as a Juvi and it changed to an adult the only reason why it dies was simple it got hit by an overfeeding by my son that would have wiped out anyones tank. He dumped 1 full pound of pelletized food into the tank at 10 pm after I had gone to bed for the night and he woke up thinking the fish wanted a night time snack. When I caught it the next morning I immediatly changed 50% of the water and also cleaned as much of the food out however it was way to late for some of the fish.

It's not a "so-called" overcrowded tank, it's just an overcrowded tank.
Please do not add an Emporer Angel to the mix. It's cruel. I don't care what your parameters are. A tank stocked like yours is a ticking time bomb and I feel bad for your fish. I can set up a 10-20 gallon tank, get a Lion Fish, and probably keep it alive. That doesn't mean it's not a stupid, careless thing to do.
You're certainly not the only one on this board that's convinced they can get away with adding anything they want. In fact there are far too many like you. Just don't take the time to try and defend your actions when numerous people here are telling you you're wrong.
You have too many fish as it is. Your filteration is not great. The answer to your initial question is, it depends entirely on the individual situation. Idealy, no, Emporer Angels are not difficult to keep. In your situation, it would be very difficult.
 
ccampbell57

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I agree SCS & Whitey. Emperors are not easy, but they are not the hardest fish to keep. They are very dominant fish and will dominate the entire tank as they grow. In a crowded tank, they will become VERY VERY aggressive.
They require lots of hiding places. A wide varitey of food (frozen meats and veggies included). Their food must include sponge and garlic.
One thing that emperors require over all else is perfect water conditions. If you are truly at a 0 for nitrates and everything else as well as at a 8.3~ ph, you can do it.
All we are saying is that if you are going to subject the emperor to your tank, you need to remove some stock as you on your way to the "Locker Room" effect (aka. Asian style tanks).
People survive in 8'x8' prison cells for years and years, but they go insane and eventually snap. This will happen to your fish.
I am glad to hear that your fish have done so well through the years and all the moves, but they will continue to grow. Your Niger will become 15" (I have seen them bigger and they are HUGE). If you truly care about your fish then give them the right environment.
Just my 2 cents...also, the folks here are just giving their opinions based off of experience. There is a TON of experience on this site and people know what they are talking about.
 
whitey

whitey

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Originally Posted by ccampbell57
http:///forum/post/2471820
I agree SCS & Whitey. Emperors are not easy, but they are not the hardest fish to keep. They are very dominant fish and will dominate the entire tank as they grow. In a crowded tank, they will become VERY VERY aggressive.
They require lots of hiding places. A wide varitey of food (frozen meats and veggies included). Their food must include sponge and garlic.
One thing that emperors require over all else is perfect water conditions. If you are truly at a 0 for nitrates and everything else as well as at a 8.3~ ph, you can do it.
All we are saying is that if you are going to subject the emperor to your tank, you need to remove some stock as you on your way to the "Locker Room" effect (aka. Asian style tanks).
People survive in 8'x8' prison cells for years and years, but they go insane and eventually snap. This will happen to your fish.
I am glad to hear that your fish have done so well through the years and all the moves, but they will continue to grow. Your Niger will become 15" (I have seen them bigger and they are HUGE). If you truly care about your fish then give them the right environment.
Just my 2 cents...also, the folks here are just giving their opinions based off of experience. There is a TON of experience on this site and people know what they are talking about.
Well said, and more friendly.
 
ironeagle2006

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I thought I would update Emporer is doing awesome eating everything that is put in front of him after being in QT and then put into the DT recently. Also I am upgrading to a 265 in 2 months.
 
whitey

whitey

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Originally Posted by ironeagle2006
http:///forum/post/2497342
I thought I would update Emporer is doing awesome eating everything that is put in front of him after being in QT and then put into the DT recently. Also I am upgrading to a 265 in 2 months.

It's funny how everyone on this board that wants to cram fish into an undersized tank is ALWAYS upgrading in a few months time.
 
kjr_trig

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Originally Posted by ironeagle2006
http:///forum/post/2497342
I thought I would update Emporer is doing awesome eating everything that is put in front of him after being in QT and then put into the DT recently. Also I am upgrading to a 265 in 2 months.
Well, if you upgrade, that will be an awesome tank and would love to see it.
 
lesleybird

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Originally Posted by ironeagle2006
http:///forum/post/2471757
Then explain how if I am not doing something right then. I bought my Blue hippo as a Tiny you know one of those 3/4 inch or less fish and in 3 years it has grown to 7 inches without one case of ICH EVER and no trace of HLLS that one has been moved from WI to IL and once in IL has been moved 5 different times. My Niger was a ***** Rescue and was an inch long 18 months ago. My Yellow tang was 2 inches long 2 years ago How do I keep my ammonia Nitraite and Nitirites at zero you ask simple. Called 200 LBS Live rock 200 total hermits 50 turbo snails instead of sand I still used Crushed Coral for my base. Also I keep the water circulating by using reverse flow powerheads on my Undergravel filter. My Blueface that did die earlier this year in my so called overcrowded tank I bought it as a Juvi and it changed to an adult the only reason why it dies was simple it got hit by an overfeeding by my son that would have wiped out anyones tank. He dumped 1 full pound of pelletized food into the tank at 10 pm after I had gone to bed for the night and he woke up thinking the fish wanted a night time snack. When I caught it the next morning I immediatly changed 50% of the water and also cleaned as much of the food out however it was way to late for some of the fish.
If you like to temp fate and F--- up your tank then don't waste our time trying to convince you that what you want to do is wrong. Don't say we didn't tell you. I know you don't want the truth, you just want a poor Emperor to abuse.
 
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