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ophiura

Active Member
If you have any desire to keep your other fish then go with the Niger or Picasso. If you have no desire to keep them, then the clown or undulated. In time, IMO, the clown/undulated would rule that tank to the detriment of any other fish.
But I would agree the tank is woefully under filtered for a predator/aggressive tank which need way more turnover, IMO.
 

cougar

Member
There must be some miscommunication on my part, each filter is 3 tank turns per hour, I have 4 of them so a total of 12 tank turns per hour. I already said there is plenty of filtration on this tank. Now does anyone have actual experience with a undulated or clown terrorizing a large fish like an angel or grouper, or is this just talk abouth these fish and how they terrorize smaller fish or more doscile fish.
 
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nereef

Guest
Originally Posted by cougar
There must be some miscommunication on my part, each filter is 3 tank turns per hour, I have 4 of them so a total of 12 tank turns per hour. I already said there is plenty of filtration on this tank. Now does anyone have actual experience with a undulated or clown terrorizing a large fish like an angel or grouper, or is this just talk abouth these fish and how they terrorize smaller fish or more doscile fish.
many people have had experiences with undulated triggers. you don't want one. the same with the eel. both need their own tank.
 

ophiura

Active Member
Originally Posted by cougar
There must be some miscommunication on my part, each filter is 3 tank turns per hour, I have 4 of them so a total of 12 tank turns per hour. I already said there is plenty of filtration on this tank. Now does anyone have actual experience with a undulated or clown terrorizing a large fish like an angel or grouper, or is this just talk abouth these fish and how they terrorize smaller fish or more doscile fish.

Grouper, IMO, are pretty docile fish. They are generally ambush predators and are, as such, not particularly "aggressive." They are aggressive in terms of the fact that they will tend to eat other smaller fish in time...much like lionfish, but are not particularly actively territorial and aggressive as a trigger is, in particular relative to a clown or undulated.
I think what people are telling you is that you take your chances far more with them than with the picasso or niger, which is an opinion you were seeking...both in terms of overall risk to other fish, and to any clean up crew. And a trigger does not need to directly attack fish to cause enough stress that you will get a disease problem.
I have 4 canister filters equalling 420 gal of filter power at 3 tank turns per hour, plenty of filtration.
I'll admit that no, this sentence did not make it extremely clear what was going on. It seemed to me you were saying your tank turnover was 3 times an hour, nowhere near enough, IMO. 4 canister filters that each filter 420 g per hour = 1680gph total so that is 7 times turnover of the tank (assuming of course that the filters are running at full capacity which in the case of canister filters on an aggressive tanks means they are cleaned basically every week, IMO). It was unclear because each filter basically filters the tank 1.75X per hour so the "3 times an hour" was unclear to me.
IMO, you are STILL underfiltered...I would prefer to see a wet/dry with a biiig skimmer. But if it works for you that is cool, people are just giving opinions
 

aw2eod

Member
Originally Posted by ophiura
IMO, you are STILL underfiltered...I would prefer to see a wet/dry with a biiig skimmer. But if it works for you that is cool, people are just giving opinions

I completely agree. It's not anywhere near the filtration you're gonna need for that tank. You wont have any long term success, running only those canister filters.
Undulate Triggers, I have no experiance with, but I know plenty of people that have them...they're nasty! Clowns are just as aggressive and territorial as Queen Triggers. I know a guy that had a Queen Trigger that gutted a 12" Golden Puffer, a 14" Miniatus Grouper and ate the head completely off of a 10" - 12" Volitan. Didnt eat any part of them...just killed them for the hell of it and left the bodies floating around in the tank.
You're better off without a Clown or Undulate, if you value the other fish that you have.
 

emperor11

Active Member
Originally Posted by psusocr1
i dont care whata anyone says a TESS. eel will kill for fun and not because it "doesnt fit it their mouth" but becase one day it decides it wants its own tank!
Doesn't it just IRRITATE the **** out of you when people ask for your opinion, and they just throw it right back in your face? He obviously doesn't care about these animals, or he would change his mind. Some people...
Look, just do us all a favor, and if you don't want to hear the truth then DON'T ASK. :mad:
 

wanabebell

Member
with eels it dosent really matter how long the fish is its how thick or tall it is
And a full grown tess can eat his share of your live stock
 
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