How much live to 'not-live'?

markw

Member
I was wondering how important it is that your sand and rock all be completely live. When starting up my tank, I was thinking about getting some living and some not of both sand and rock. How much of each would be good? I mean, does it all have to be living before you start adding livestock? Id imagine this would give you good biological filtration, but how important is it really? How fast does rock and sand seed?
Mark
 

rlablan

Active Member
The bio filter is VERY important. That is the basis for your whole tank and if you skimp on that, you will have issues with your tank right from the start. On would be surprised how much the LR and LS can effect that.
That being said, when I started both of my new tanks, and soon to be another new tank, I did about 50/50 on the sand. I bought a bag of Ls that had the water in it, and all the crushed coral pieces and everything and then got a bag of sand put the live in second and gently pushed some of the live sand down with my fingers and raked it. I notcied my filter working within about a week and a 1/2. (there were bubbles and air pockets in the sand bed).
When it comes to rock, I choose to go for all live. In my new tank, I am having to cure some "dead" rock in the water that I get from water changes in my existing 45 gal. This way, the water is already cycled and can put it in my new tank and not have to cycle 200 new gallons of water!! I have a light over the bin with flow and I will leave it this way for about two weeks and let the bacteria from my water colonize and get into that new rock. I seeded it with some live rock that is rich with coraline and critters. Hopefully it'll spread. We'll see. :D
 

rlablan

Active Member
oh and if your params and lighting are good, you can actually take a piece of coralined rock and rub it against others in your tank and it'll spread. That is the best way to seed for algae.
 

markw

Member
I was thinking 100% LS and about 75% LR, 25% base rock. Would this be ideal? I was thinking about which one would be best to go non-live on and the rock looks to be the one to go with. Its only a little anyway.
Mark
 

rlablan

Active Member
I always go live rock 100% Get two big pieces and then when your tank has some stock and is a few months old, add it little by little. I would go down to my LFS on my weekly or bi weekly trips and grab some live rock for cheap and pop it in there. By the next week, that piece would be covered in algae and I would go get another one. That way you aren't spending 300 bucks on live rock right upfront. Another great place is craigslist. often people are practically giving away 20lb pieces for like 2 bucks a pound. Most of the time it is coming from a 5+ year tank and it is soooooo purple and encrusted. just ask if they use copper and if they have had disease and how they treated it and all.
 

big

Active Member
Mark I seem to be chatting a lot to you today......
I do not think folks should be telling newbies, or anyone, that you just have to start out with 100% Live Rock and all Live Sand. Many newbies are on tight budgets setting up a system. There are other ways to do it for far less money, especially with a large tank where many, many hundreds of dollars are involve in rocks. Other start up items are just or as important or maybe more so.
Yes when I started out I used well rinsed dry Aragonite and 100% live rock..(I can still remember the wife saying "You spent how much on a bunch of ^*@!%^ g rocks".)....... Well even with that, the tank has worked out pretty well over the years now.........
BUT a friend decided to dive back in to Reefing after many years of absence..... Money was a bit tight for her at the time, so I suggested 90% base rock and a few smaller pieces of Live Rock to help in seeding the system. Again she used all dry Aragonite for substrate........( I much prefer its buffering abilities to live sand)......
Well now years have passed by, and to look at her Reef, there is no lack of biodiversity of any kind.........All the stuff that should be purple is purple and she keeps Scooters and other harder critters too that need the stuff that lives in the substrate. I don't think there is room to ad another coral, everything is covered with something.......
After a while even, dry Aragonite becomes just as alive as any Live Sand, also with a little time all of that base rock turns into live rock too....... It just takes a bit more patience, which should be a prerequisite for this obsession many of us have.....Some just do not have quite enough of that.......
If someone has too much money to spend or a lack of patience, than yes all live rock is the way to go.....Warren
 

markw

Member
Thats what I was waiting to hear. Whatever I do, I wont go all non-living. When Im ready to set the tank up, I will definately be looking at the craigslist postings. There is one on there now sellinf tonga and fiji rock for $1-3/lb that is coming from an established 180gal reef tank that he is tearing down. All is encrusted with coraline. Also has live sand from the same tank selling 80 lbs for $1/lb. Great deals! Its a shame I have nowhere to keep it at the moment. =/
Mark
 

rlablan

Active Member
Don't worry. There will be more deals. Everyday I look at CL there are like 4 really nice systems being taken down. In fact, I have one right now. hahaha
 

bulldog123

Member
Im setting up a 120g no live sand and 130lb of base and 40ish live rock. It will all become live soon enough. My plan is to ghost feed for a couple months to allow for the bacteria to become established and slowly add to the bio-load.
 

bulldog123

Member
Originally Posted by Markw
http:///forum/post/3109871
Thats what I was waiting to hear. Whatever I do, I wont go all non-living. When Im ready to set the tank up, I will definately be looking at the craigslist postings. There is one on there now sellinf tonga and fiji rock for $1-3/lb that is coming from an established 180gal reef tank that he is tearing down. All is encrusted with coraline. Also has live sand from the same tank selling 80 lbs for $1/lb. Great deals! Its a shame I have nowhere to keep it at the moment. =/
Mark
Be real careful using sand from older tanks.
 
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