how to die

deejeff442

deejeff442

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being a volunteer fireman i have put people in body bags more than a few times. today there was a call for a structure fire.i live maybe 1 minute away from the location. so instead of going to the station i called in that i will go and size it up for incoming units.there were 4 stations on the way probably 6-8 trucks.i got there ,no smoke. i called in ,i walked up to the house there was a guy maybe 65 yrs old on his knees at the front glass door.i am by myself .he was pounding on the glass yelling get me out its going to blow. i called all units off and called for an ambulance. i opened the door and he said there are oxygen tanks that are going to blow. i helped him up to his walker and got him away from the house so he felt secure. he said there was 2 guys there that left him to find "Shawn" i said Shawn who?he said Shaun hannity. oh boy. units showed up and took care of him. i think i would rather die of cancer rather than get dementia and lose my mind.i have delt with quite a few people with it and it is really sad.
 
flower

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Originally Posted by deejeff442 http:///t/392716/how-to-die#post_3489010
being a volunteer fireman i have put people in body bags more than a few times. today there was a call for a structure fire.i live maybe 1 minute away from the location. so instead of going to the station i called in that i will go and size it up for incoming units.there were 4 stations on the way probably 6-8 trucks.i got there ,no smoke. i called in ,i walked up to the house there was a guy maybe 65 yrs old on his knees at the front glass door.i am by myself .he was pounding on the glass yelling get me out its going to blow. i called all units off and called for an ambulance. i opened the door and he said there are oxygen tanks that are going to blow. i helped him up to his walker and got him away from the house so he felt secure. he said there was 2 guys there that left him to find "Shawn" i said Shawn who?he said Shaun hannity. oh boy. units showed up and took care of him. i think i would rather die of cancer rather than get dementia and lose my mind.i have delt with quite a few people with it and it is really sad.
So it was all in his mind? I don't understand why he was alone.
My Father went kind of nuts for a short time once, he had COPD and one night he was sure the house was being broke into by some men with rifles and he thought we were all going to be killed. After he was given some oxygen he was himself again, he remained in the hospital for 3 days.
Unless this was the very first time he lost his ability to know reality....he should have had someone with him. Or placed in a home where he would be cared for.
 
sweat90lx

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My wife's grandmother is in her 80s and has dementia. She lives next door to us with my in-laws. My mother in law is also disabled from RA.
My father in law can be outside in the yard and granny will lock up the house like Fort Knox at 5 in the afternoon. She doesn't know my name anymore and talks like it is 50 years ago. It is sad to see her in this condition.
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flower

flower

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Originally Posted by sweat90lx http:///t/392716/how-to-die#post_3489054
My wife's grandmother is in her 80s and has dementia. She lives next door to us with my in-laws. My mother in law is also disabled from RA.
My father in law can be outside in the yard and granny will lock up the house like Fort Knox at 5 in the afternoon. She doesn't know my name anymore and talks like it is 50 years ago. It is sad to see her in this condition.
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You know this is why it's important to live a good and happy life. So when you loose your mind and regress to 50 years ago, they are good years to relive. Your Granny won't be around too much longer, it really isn't all that sad. It's kind of funny when she locks up the house at 5 in the afternoon....you have to look for the humor in things.
So she doesn't recognize your older face and be able to put a name to it. She does know you as a nice person who comes to see her. My mother is getting up there too, and she trys to use the remote to make a phone call...she also has her moments of clarity. Everyday is a gift.
It's super sad to see an older person left alone without family, afraid and confused. However an older person surrounded by family is very blessed, when they are confused or frightened someone who loves them is there to help.
I have lived my life with crazy old folks and teenagers...give me an old geezer any day of the week. I loved my Greatgrandmother, and I adored my grandmother....we always had our old folks at home with us till the end, they were a bit odd, and Grandma couldn't pronounce my sisters name for some reason...instead of Sonya she called her Son-er-ee. We argued over who would get to take care of Mother back when us kids were teenagers...I won. We argued again when it was time for Mother to need constant company after my father died...my sister is still upset, but I won again. If I live long enough, my day is coming.
 
bionicarm

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My mother is 85 with severe dementia. She pretty much doesn't recall what she did 3 hours earler when you ask her. It's interesting how her long-term memory is still fairly intact. She knows me and my brothers and sisters, can recall events that happened in her childhood or when we were young, but has a hard time discerning who the grandkids and in-laws are. She's comfortably living in a nursing home, where the highlight of her day is playing bingo.
I've already discussed this with my wife in regards to when it will eventually happen to me. I have no desire to spend my last days rolling around in some wheelchair, where the highlight of my day is what's being served for lunch and dinner. I joke with her thatr she needs to start stocking up morphine and get a PICC line kit ready for when that time comes. I guess the other alternative is to end with one of my Bucket List items - go sky diving over the Australian Coast. Jump solo and forget to pull the cord. My luck, I'd survive the fall and end up in the ocean in a school of Great Whites.
 
flower

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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///t/392716/how-to-die#post_3489080
My mother is 85 with severe dementia. She pretty much doesn't recall what she did 3 hours earler when you ask her. It's interesting how her long-term memory is still fairly intact. She knows me and my brothers and sisters, can recall events that happened in her childhood or when we were young, but has a hard time discerning who the grandkids and in-laws are. She's comfortably living in a nursing home, where the highlight of her day is playing bingo.
I've already discussed this with my wife in regards to when it will eventually happen to me. I have no desire to spend my last days rolling around in some wheelchair, where the highlight of my day is what's being served for lunch and dinner. I joke with her thatr she needs to start stocking up morphine and get a PICC line kit ready for when that time comes. I guess the other alternative is to end with one of my Bucket List items - go sky diving over the Australian Coast. Jump solo and forget to pull the cord. My luck, I'd survive the fall and end up in the ocean in a school of Great Whites.
LOL...If you tried to go skydiving at that age...the men in the white suites won't let you. By the time it all rolls around your attitude will change. You never know...maybe by the time you get there...they will have a cure for dementia, Alzheimer's or just plain crazy. Nothing would be worse then killing yourself off because you THINK old age will be bad.
Life is a journey, no sense driving the car into a brick wall because it's almost over anyway. When you are closing in on 90, looking forward to a meal served to you isn't so bad, you are looking at old age thru young eyes. When you get old, you get tired...you won't desire to go do the things you did as a young person. Most old folks die sleeping peacfully....that's a wonderful close to a long life....most folks won't make it that far, they die of illness, accidents, suicide, or get murdered. ...I will take old age any day of the week.
 
ironeagle2006

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For me when it is time for me to go I want to go out like I came into the world Bare Butted and SCREAMING NO. Basically when I die I want to go into my Grave Sideways Flipping the Bird to the World and telling the ones that hated me to Kiss me where the Lord Spilt Me. Sorry if I am given something that is going to make me a drain on my family like Dementia or ALS or something like that well lets just say that the Cororner in the county I live in is going to be gagging when he has to blot me up.
 
reefraff

reefraff

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Being disabled I can gain access to national parks. At the Grand Canyon I am allowed on the restricted roads that the bus tours take around the rim of the canyon. I told the wife if I get terminal or dementia to take me to the canyon and point me in the right direction so I can pull a Thelma and Louise.
 
flower

flower

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Just remember...if your wife or your children help you end it all or assist in any way, they might be facing charges. So if you folks decide to chicken out of life and refuse to live it till the natural end, I hope you have at least enough sense to not involve anyone else in the scheme. That includes if they knew about it and did nothing. So if you are serious...SSSHHHH...keep it quietly to yourself.
Do you really consider taking care of Grandma a burden and a bother?...Do you really wish she would just go jump off a cliff someplace and not bother you with her old stupid self now that her mind is slipping? Because if you feel that's what old granny should do...shame on you for being such an insensitve ___hole. If you don't feel that way about grandma...why in the world would you think your own family would feel that way about you?
 
reefraff

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Originally Posted by Flower http:///t/392716/how-to-die#post_3489111
Just remember...if your wife or your children help you end it all or assist in any way, they might be facing charges. So if you folks decide to chicken out of life and refuse to live it till the natural end, I hope you have at least enough sense to not involve anyone else in the scheme. That includes if they knew about it and did nothing. So if you are serious...SSSHHHH...keep it quietly to yourself.
Do you really consider taking care of Grandma a burden and a bother?...Do you really wish she would just go jump off a cliff someplace and not bother you with her old stupid self now that her mind is slipping? Because if you feel that's what old granny should do...shame on you for being such an insensitve ___hole. If you don't feel that way about grandma...why in the world would you think your own family would feel that way about you?
Just speaking for myself I would spare granny the indignity of losing her ability to care for even her most basic needs.
 
flower

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Originally Posted by reefraff http:///t/392716/how-to-die#post_3489117
Just speaking for myself I would spare granny the indignity of losing her ability to care for even her most basic needs.
So you would turn you head and let her jump off a cliff or drive her there to do so? I sware the most indignity I ever suffered, was when I was giving birth. Being mindless, SHE doesn't know nor care, so the only one not wanting to deal with her indignity would be you. If you tried to kill her and put her out of her misery...I bet she would fight you.
I would like to spare my moms pain of getting old and being forgetful, I wish I could spare my adult kids all the stupid mistakes they make...I wish I could spare my family and loved ones all kinds of sad events in their lives...but I do not wish thay would kill themselves so I wouldn't be bothered with them as a burden. Although I did threaten death to my teenagers a few times...I didn't really mean it... I wouldn't wish a teenager on anyone...but they do mature and get over it eventually.
 
reefraff

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Originally Posted by Flower http:///t/392716/how-to-die#post_3489123
So you would turn you head and let her jump off a cliff or drive her there to do so? I sware the most indignity I ever suffered, was when I was giving birth. Being mindless, SHE doesn't know nor care, so the only one not wanting to deal with her indignity would be you. If you tried to kill her and put her out of her misery...I bet she would fight you.
I would like to spare my moms pain of getting old and being forgetful, I wish I could spare my adult kids all the stupid mistakes they make...I wish I could spare my family and loved ones all kinds of sad events in their lives...but I do not wish thay would kill themselves so I wouldn't be bothered with them as a burden. Although I did threaten death to my teenagers a few times...I didn't really mean it... I wouldn't wish a teenager on anyone...but they do mature and get over it eventually.
If a relative had an untreatable condition and wanted to end their life I would be supportive. Don't know if I would actively participate but maybe,
 
flower

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Originally Posted by reefraff http:///t/392716/how-to-die#post_3489128
If a relative had an untreatable condition and wanted to end their life I would be supportive. Don't know if I would actively participate but maybe,
An untreatable condition like cancer in the late stages, full of pain and drugs....is very different from just growing old or dying naturally. A living will should be in place, or the hospital will torture a patient with hourly blood draws, and resuscitation even it isn't desired by the family. I wouldn't want to be in a hospital when I die, I would like to be at home or in a hospice. I would not want to be on a life support machine, and if anyone doesn't want such a thing...put it in writting.
As far as assisted suicide when a person is suffering and they want to end it....Dr. Kavorkian has a point. However, I wouldn't ask my family for assistance because of the emotional pain that would haunt them, and I wouldn't want them charged with a crime..... A Dr. death could come in handy if you want one. For whats it worth, they have a specialist for everything else so why not?
 
reefraff

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Originally Posted by Flower http:///t/392716/how-to-die#post_3489163
An untreatable condition like cancer in the late stages, full of pain and drugs....is very different from just growing old or dying naturally. A living will should be in place, or the hospital will torture a patient with hourly blood draws, and resuscitation even it isn't desired by the family. I wouldn't want to be in a hospital when I die, I would like to be at home or in a hospice. I would not want to be on a life support machine, and if anyone doesn't want such a thing...put it in writting.
As far as assisted suicide when a person is suffering and they want to end it....Dr. Kavorkian has a point. However, I wouldn't ask my family for assistance because of the emotional pain that would haunt them, and I wouldn't want them charged with a crime..... A Dr. death could come in handy if you want one. For whats it worth, they have a specialist for everything else so why not?
I had an Aunt go from ALS. I guarandamntee you she would have rather died the day they put her in the wheel chair. She had cared for her mother the last 20 years of her life and also her son until he died of cancer. It just killed her to have to depend on others. In her mom's case it was dementia but she only had episodes and was fine most of the time. People who totally lose it? What kind of existence do they have?
 
deejeff442

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i forgot a part of the story. when we were there the paramedics were tending to the guy in the driveway. i went into the house with another firefighter and 2 sherriffs.next to the phone was a stack of 50 dollar bills maybe $500. there were 1 gallon water jugs all over the place all tied together with string? weird his inside doors were only open 1 foot with string tied to the knobs and the wall. when i was standing in the livingroom the phone started to ring. i asked the sherriff you want to answer it? he said you are closer. so i answered it. said hello. the guy on the other end said who is this? i said this is the fire dept. we are on the property.he said well forget it. i said who is this ? he said he is already there. well nobody was outside or showed up. the sherriff dialed star 69 but it didnt work.some weird stuff going on there.
 
stdreb27

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Originally Posted by deejeff442 http:///t/392716/how-to-die#post_3489170
i forgot a part of the story. when we were there the paramedics were tending to the guy in the driveway. i went into the house with another firefighter and 2 sherriffs.next to the phone was a stack of 50 dollar bills maybe $500. there were 1 gallon water jugs all over the place all tied together with string? weird his inside doors were only open 1 foot with string tied to the knobs and the wall. when i was standing in the livingroom the phone started to ring. i asked the sherriff you want to answer it? he said you are closer. so i answered it. said hello. the guy on the other end said who is this? i said this is the fire dept. we are on the property.he said well forget it. i said who is this ? he said he is already there. well nobody was outside or showed up. the sherriff dialed star 69 but it didnt work.some weird stuff going on there.
that's bizzare stuff. Losing your lucidity is just an ugly ugly thing....
 
flower

flower

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Originally Posted by reefraff http:///t/392716/how-to-die#post_3489168
I had an Aunt go from ALS. I guarandamntee you she would have rather died the day they put her in the wheel chair. She had cared for her mother the last 20 years of her life and also her son until he died of cancer. It just killed her to have to depend on others. In her mom's case it was dementia but she only had episodes and was fine most of the time. People who totally lose it? What kind of existence do they have?
Death is an ugly, sad, unfortunate, inevitable thing for us all. None of us want to be a burden, none of us want to have to depend on others, and none of us want to be in a wheelchair. Lets face it, nobody wants to grow old, or sick, and die. She cared for her mom for 20 years, and she had to endure the loss of her son to cancer...then it was her turn...I'm afriad that is the cycle of life.
I read once that the end of a persons life is greater than the beginning, although we celebrate a birth. When we begin, it isn't known what kind of person the child will grow up to be, but at the end of a persons life....looking backward, the true individual is revealed . Your Aunt was a wonderful, caring and patient woman....that would not have been revealed if she had not had the opportunity to show that in the care of her mother for 20 years, and her son thru his last days. So for those who had the opportunity and sense of duty to care for your Aunt during her last hard days....their worth and true self are revealed, and God sees all.
 
reefraff

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Originally Posted by Flower http:///t/392716/how-to-die#post_3489217
Death is an ugly, sad, unfortunate, inevitable thing for us all. None of us want to be a burden, none of us want to have to depend on others, and none of us want to be in a wheelchair. Lets face it, nobody wants to grow old, or sick, and die. She cared for her mom for 20 years, and she had to endure the loss of her son to cancer...then it was her turn...I'm afriad that is the cycle of life.
I read once that the end of a persons life is greater than the beginning, although we celebrate a birth. When we begin, it isn't known what kind of person the child will grow up to be, but at the end of a persons life....looking backward, the true individual is revealed . Your Aunt was a wonderful, caring and patient woman....that would not have been revealed if she had not had the opportunity to show that in the care of her mother for 20 years, and her son thru his last days. So for those who had the opportunity and sense of duty to care for your Aunt during her last hard days....their worth and true self are revealed, and God sees all.
To a point. I don't really think having your dignity taken away to show the worth of those who are going to care for you is a good deal. When my cousin was near the end his brother brought him to his house to die. Same thing with his mom. Having both your brother and mom die in your living room. I think I would have been moving out after that.
 
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