30-xtra high
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put on a boot, catch the fish in a net and put it in a ziplock bag real quik, and stomp on it's head, no mess, instant death
humane way to kill fish
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sepulatian
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You should realy try to help the fish heal. It has held on this long. What kind of infection is it and how have you been treating it?
reefreak29
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get a knife and chop its head off
poniegirl
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Originally Posted by Payton 350
i have a very sick goldfish that's about 6-7 inches big..he is too big for the toilet and i was wondering if anybody had any ideas on how to put him out of his misery humanely...
thanks
It is difficult to watch an animal that we are responsible for suffer. That is a fact.
Please don't make him suffer through clove oil, or the stress of a freezer. While it is a fact that carp hibernate, they do so buried under leaves and silt. NOT in a Fridgidaire. Nor a toilet.
Please, either improve the water quality and continue treating, or deal with this aspect of owning living beings.
I know we are supposed to turn away from the discussions that we find offensive, but sorry, I can't.
i have a very sick goldfish that's about 6-7 inches big..he is too big for the toilet and i was wondering if anybody had any ideas on how to put him out of his misery humanely...
thanks
It is difficult to watch an animal that we are responsible for suffer. That is a fact.
Please don't make him suffer through clove oil, or the stress of a freezer. While it is a fact that carp hibernate, they do so buried under leaves and silt. NOT in a Fridgidaire. Nor a toilet.
Please, either improve the water quality and continue treating, or deal with this aspect of owning living beings.
I know we are supposed to turn away from the discussions that we find offensive, but sorry, I can't.
mr. guitar
Member
Originally Posted by reefreak29
get a knife and chop its head off
I agree...just like a chicken.
get a knife and chop its head off
d0 thy d3w
Member
shoot it with a bb gun..in the head..big fish..so hard to miss...should be an instant death...
d0 thy d3w
Member
well..my dad and i have killed many rats in our back yard with a good ol' bb gun..they were after my dogs food!!!! and head shots took em down pretty quick...though quite bloody...so a fish should drop dead in aheart beat..if this sounds inhumane im sorry..ive never tried it...just figured..hey stuff dies with no brain..so it would be quick..
sepulatian
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Ok, this is turning very INHUMANE!!! Not bothering to treat it so kill it? People laughing about how to destroy this fish. Um about time to close this thread?
renogaw
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Originally Posted by sepulatian
Ok, this is turning very INHUMANE!!! Not bothering to treat it so kill it? People laughing about how to destroy this fish. Um about time to close this thread?
some people unfortunatley don't take things seriously enough and just have to make a stupid comment.
Ok, this is turning very INHUMANE!!! Not bothering to treat it so kill it? People laughing about how to destroy this fish. Um about time to close this thread?
some people unfortunatley don't take things seriously enough and just have to make a stupid comment.
dual45s
Member
If the cutting/smacking/crushing ideas aren't up your alley, this is the most effectively non-violent way I've used. After the fish is asleep by use of clove oil add 20-25% white grain alcohol. For example, if the fish is in 8oz (240ml) of water, add 2oz (60ml) of vodka. Let the fish stay there for at least 20 minutes. Check the fish carefully after 20 minutes for any gill movement. If there is no gill movement over a 60 second period, the fish has expired.
mr. guitar
Member
Originally Posted by sepulatian
Ok, this is turning very INHUMANE!!! Not bothering to treat it so kill it? People laughing about how to destroy this fish. Um about time to close this thread?
I wouldn't call it inhumane, IMO. If a person knows a fish is gonna die anyway what should they do with? Just let it suffer in the tank? If you catch a trout in the river and you want to eat it you have to kill it. Smash it's head as hard as you can with a rock or cut it's head off with a good fishin' knife. Works both ways perfectly fine. haha. I love eatin fresh caught trout. hahaha. That's humane, IMO.
Ok, this is turning very INHUMANE!!! Not bothering to treat it so kill it? People laughing about how to destroy this fish. Um about time to close this thread?
I wouldn't call it inhumane, IMO. If a person knows a fish is gonna die anyway what should they do with? Just let it suffer in the tank? If you catch a trout in the river and you want to eat it you have to kill it. Smash it's head as hard as you can with a rock or cut it's head off with a good fishin' knife. Works both ways perfectly fine. haha. I love eatin fresh caught trout. hahaha. That's humane, IMO.
mr. guitar
Member
Originally Posted by Dual45s
If the cutting/smacking/crushing ideas aren't up your alley, this is the most effectively non-violent way I've used.
Agreed.
If the cutting/smacking/crushing ideas aren't up your alley, this is the most effectively non-violent way I've used.
Agreed.
reefkprz
Active Member
Originally Posted by chipmaker
Get some clove oil, put fish in anonther container, add some clove oil, wait until fish rolls over. If adding clove oil fish does not roll over in a minute or two add some more clove oil. Just use a container large enough to put fish in and enough water to support and cover fish. Once fish rolls over, its in all reality knocked out so feel free to either take a knife to it and cut the head off or leave in clove oil for a long period of time (30 minutes or so, or just place in plastic bag and place in deep freeze once its knocked out.
Most times bacterial infections and fungas is totally treatable if the proper meds are used and not those so called pima or mela fix or some of that crap they sell in lfs that makes exhorbarant claims. Best is a dip in potassium permanganate which will wipe out any and all signs of fungal infections then treat with spot applications of iodine or hydrogen peroixide, apply neosporin or panalog ointment, covered with denture cream or powder to form a protective cover over worst parts of sores, and place in antibiotic doesed tank with proper gram neg or pos for what your treating. Tetracycline is the preferred choice or a broad spectrum triple sulpha.
There is a reason your fish got sick, and if its in the house ina tank along with others of decent size its a good potential its a water quality problem as thats what sets off most bacterial infections and fungal attacks on goldies...Once water is too warm or too nasty with pathogens they can catch crap pretty darn fast..and it does not take much ammonia or nitrite to give em problems. They caught the fungal infection and the bacterial is a secondary illness brought on by the fungal infection.
Chipmaker how long have you been doing FW? your level of knowledge in treatment is rather astounding...
payton I agree with 99.9% of what he said.
Get some clove oil, put fish in anonther container, add some clove oil, wait until fish rolls over. If adding clove oil fish does not roll over in a minute or two add some more clove oil. Just use a container large enough to put fish in and enough water to support and cover fish. Once fish rolls over, its in all reality knocked out so feel free to either take a knife to it and cut the head off or leave in clove oil for a long period of time (30 minutes or so, or just place in plastic bag and place in deep freeze once its knocked out.
Most times bacterial infections and fungas is totally treatable if the proper meds are used and not those so called pima or mela fix or some of that crap they sell in lfs that makes exhorbarant claims. Best is a dip in potassium permanganate which will wipe out any and all signs of fungal infections then treat with spot applications of iodine or hydrogen peroixide, apply neosporin or panalog ointment, covered with denture cream or powder to form a protective cover over worst parts of sores, and place in antibiotic doesed tank with proper gram neg or pos for what your treating. Tetracycline is the preferred choice or a broad spectrum triple sulpha.
There is a reason your fish got sick, and if its in the house ina tank along with others of decent size its a good potential its a water quality problem as thats what sets off most bacterial infections and fungal attacks on goldies...Once water is too warm or too nasty with pathogens they can catch crap pretty darn fast..and it does not take much ammonia or nitrite to give em problems. They caught the fungal infection and the bacterial is a secondary illness brought on by the fungal infection.
Chipmaker how long have you been doing FW? your level of knowledge in treatment is rather astounding...
payton I agree with 99.9% of what he said.
chipmaker
Active Member
Originally Posted by PonieGirl
It is difficult to watch an animal that we are responsible for suffer. That is a fact.
Please don't make him suffer through clove oil, or the stress of a freezer. While it is a fact that carp hibernate, they do so buried under leaves and silt. NOT in a Fridgidaire. Nor a toilet.
Please, either improve the water quality and continue treating, or deal with this aspect of owning living beings.
I know we are supposed to turn away from the discussions that we find offensive, but sorry, I can't.
Just now do you figure clove oil is adding to a fishes suffering. Its an approved and much used method to knock out fish to perfrom examinations on them. Its used by koi keepers and vets the world around and is not considered painfull in any way. Koi and gold fish can take water temps down to freezing just fine..........Since when is an anesthetic painfull?
It is difficult to watch an animal that we are responsible for suffer. That is a fact.
Please don't make him suffer through clove oil, or the stress of a freezer. While it is a fact that carp hibernate, they do so buried under leaves and silt. NOT in a Fridgidaire. Nor a toilet.
Please, either improve the water quality and continue treating, or deal with this aspect of owning living beings.
I know we are supposed to turn away from the discussions that we find offensive, but sorry, I can't.
Just now do you figure clove oil is adding to a fishes suffering. Its an approved and much used method to knock out fish to perfrom examinations on them. Its used by koi keepers and vets the world around and is not considered painfull in any way. Koi and gold fish can take water temps down to freezing just fine..........Since when is an anesthetic painfull?
chipmaker
Active Member
Originally Posted by Dual45s
If the cutting/smacking/crushing ideas aren't up your alley, this is the most effectively non-violent way I've used. After the fish is asleep by use of clove oil add 20-25% white grain alcohol. For example, if the fish is in 8oz (240ml) of water, add 2oz (60ml) of vodka. Let the fish stay there for at least 20 minutes. Check the fish carefully after 20 minutes for any gill movement. If there is no gill movement over a 60 second period, the fish has expired.
That will also work.......Its not any worse than giving a convicted killer a lethal injection or putting a patieint to sleep with an anesthetic. Once they are knocked out it matters very little what method then is used to kill them, they are not feeling any pain. Think about how quick a gun shot to the heart kills a person or how long aperson can think or hurt with a head being separated form the body....Its all over before the nerves can signal a problem, and when they do signal there is nothing to connect it to, so nothing gets through.....Its mind over matter for most folks in having to do the deed. There has also been lots of studies done in regards to what and how much a fish can actually feel in terms of pain, and most studies point to the fact they feel very little. Go to the University of Florida fish biology website and do some reading. Matters not if its fresh or salt its good info.
If the cutting/smacking/crushing ideas aren't up your alley, this is the most effectively non-violent way I've used. After the fish is asleep by use of clove oil add 20-25% white grain alcohol. For example, if the fish is in 8oz (240ml) of water, add 2oz (60ml) of vodka. Let the fish stay there for at least 20 minutes. Check the fish carefully after 20 minutes for any gill movement. If there is no gill movement over a 60 second period, the fish has expired.
That will also work.......Its not any worse than giving a convicted killer a lethal injection or putting a patieint to sleep with an anesthetic. Once they are knocked out it matters very little what method then is used to kill them, they are not feeling any pain. Think about how quick a gun shot to the heart kills a person or how long aperson can think or hurt with a head being separated form the body....Its all over before the nerves can signal a problem, and when they do signal there is nothing to connect it to, so nothing gets through.....Its mind over matter for most folks in having to do the deed. There has also been lots of studies done in regards to what and how much a fish can actually feel in terms of pain, and most studies point to the fact they feel very little. Go to the University of Florida fish biology website and do some reading. Matters not if its fresh or salt its good info.
chipmaker
Active Member
Originally Posted by sepulatian
Ok, this is turning very INHUMANE!!! Not bothering to treat it so kill it? People laughing about how to destroy this fish. Um about time to close this thread?
Your entitled to your opinion but the methods suggested are all used by lots of folks and are as humane as it gets short of taking it to the vet and having the vet put it down, but with your way and a few others way of thinking who is to say the vets method is not putting undue stress on a fish either. or is it just because its a professional medical type doing it, so its not gonna be painfull or hurt. Don;t think so.........Flushing or tossin gon compost heap is inhumane and all other methods mentioned are quick and quite humane for what is involved. At some point in time it can be a waste of time and money to try and cure a fish or other critter and we all know that, as its not gonna get cured no matter what amount of money is spent.
I know of folks who have spent lots of money just to save a feeder goldfish from mouth rot, all because they felt compelled to do it, and did not heave the heart to put it out of its misery. Odds are it suffered all during their so called attempt at saving the doomed, so whats worse a prolonged approach while a person experiments trying to save somehting that is destined to die or a quick method to end its sufferring no matter how gross it may sound.
Ok, this is turning very INHUMANE!!! Not bothering to treat it so kill it? People laughing about how to destroy this fish. Um about time to close this thread?
Your entitled to your opinion but the methods suggested are all used by lots of folks and are as humane as it gets short of taking it to the vet and having the vet put it down, but with your way and a few others way of thinking who is to say the vets method is not putting undue stress on a fish either. or is it just because its a professional medical type doing it, so its not gonna be painfull or hurt. Don;t think so.........Flushing or tossin gon compost heap is inhumane and all other methods mentioned are quick and quite humane for what is involved. At some point in time it can be a waste of time and money to try and cure a fish or other critter and we all know that, as its not gonna get cured no matter what amount of money is spent.
I know of folks who have spent lots of money just to save a feeder goldfish from mouth rot, all because they felt compelled to do it, and did not heave the heart to put it out of its misery. Odds are it suffered all during their so called attempt at saving the doomed, so whats worse a prolonged approach while a person experiments trying to save somehting that is destined to die or a quick method to end its sufferring no matter how gross it may sound.
